Some of Manasseh also joined David, when he came with the Philistines against Saul to battle; but they didn’t help them; for the lords of the Philistines sent him away after consultation, saying, “He will desert to his master Saul to the jeopardy of our heads.”
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Some of Manasseh also joined David, when he came with the Philistines against Saul to battle; but they didn’t help them; for the lords of the Philistines sent him away after consultation, saying, “He will desert to his master Saul to the jeopardy of our heads.”
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And there fell some of Manasseh to David, when he came with the Philistines against Saul to battle: but they helped them not: for the lords of the Philistines upon advisement sent him away, saying, He will fall to his master Saul to the jeopardy of our heads.
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(12-20) Of Manasseh also there fell away some to David, when he came with the Philistines against Saul to battle, but they helped them not; for the lords of the Philistines upon advisement sent him away, saying: 'He will fall away to his master Saul to the jeopardy of our heads.'
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Passages linked to 1 Chronicles 12:19 in the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, ordered by reader-vote popularity; verse text shown in World English Bible.
- 1 Samuel 29:2-9 The lords of the Philistines passed on by hundreds and by thousands; and David and his men passed on in the rear with Achish. Then the princes of the Philistines said, “What about these Hebrews?” Achish said to the princes of the Philistines, “Isn’t this David, the servant of Saul the king of Israel, who has been with me these days, or rather these years? I have found no fault in him since he fell away until today.” But the princes of the Philistines were angry with him; and the princes of the Philistines said to him, “Make the man return, that he may go back to his place where you have appointed him, and let him not go down with us to battle, lest in the battle he become an adversary to us. For with what should this fellow reconcile himself to his lord? Should it not be with the heads of these men? Isn’t this David, of whom people sang to one another in dances, saying, ‘Saul has slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands?’ ” Then Achish called David, and said to him, “As Yahweh lives, you have been upright, and your going out and your coming in with me in the army is good in my sight; for I have not found evil in you since the day of your coming to me to this day. Nevertheless, the lords don’t favor you. Therefore now return, and go in peace, that you not displease the lords of the Philistines.” David said to Achish, “But what have I done? What have you found in your servant so long as I have been before you to this day, that I may not go and fight against the enemies of my lord the king?” Achish answered David, “I know that you are good in my sight, as an angel of God. Notwithstanding the princes of the Philistines have said, ‘He shall not go up with us to the battle.’
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Geneva Bible translators 1599 · Public Domain Or, on the jeopardy of our heads.
Or, on the jeopardy of our heads.
They came only to help David, and not to succor the Philistines, which were enemies to their country.
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John Trapp 1656 · Public Domain 1Ch 12:19 And there fell [some] of Manasseh to…
1Ch 12:19 And there fell [some] of Manasseh to David, when he came with the Philistines against Saul to battle: but they helped them not: for the lords of the Philistines upon advisement sent him away, saying, He will fall to his master Saul to [the jeopardy of] our heads.
Ver. 19. When he came with the Philistines, &c.] See on 1Sa 29:1-11.
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Matthew Poole 1685 · Public Domain They helped them not, i.e. the Manassites here named,…
They helped them not, i.e. the Manassites here named, and the rest of David’s forces, to whom they had now joined themselves, did not help the Philistines in battle, as David had pretended to do.
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John Gill 1763 · Public Domain For at that time, day by day, there came…
For at that time, day by day, there came to David to help him,.... Particularly after the defeat of Saul by the Philistines, unto the time that David came to Hebron:
until it was a great host, like the host of God; the heavenly host, the angels; so the Targum.
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Joseph Benson 1811 · Public Domain 1Ch 12:19-20. They helped them not — That is,…
1Ch 12:19-20. They helped them not — That is, the Manassites here named, and the rest of David’s forces, to whom they had now joined themselves, did not help the Philistines in battle, as David had pretended to do. As he went to Ziklag — As he returned thither from the camp of the Philistines.
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Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary 1859 · Public Domain Fight. They joined him after he had left the…
Fight. They joined him after he had left the Philistines. (Calmet) --- But he. Hebrew, "they helped them not." Neither David nor his partizans were involved in this danger, which might have caused their fidelity to be suspected, 1 Kings xxix. (Haydock)
George Leo Haydock (1774–1849), Haydock's Catholic Family Bible and Commentary, 1859 edition — public domain. Excludes Psalms (Douay-Rheims chapter numbering differs from Protestant) and Deuterocanonical books (Catholic canon only).
Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset & David Brown 1871 · Public Domain there fell some of Manasseh--The period of their accession…
there fell some of Manasseh--The period of their accession is fixed as the time when David came with the Philistines against Saul to battle.
but they helped them not--(See on Sa1 29:4).
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Daniel D. Whedon 1874 · Public Domain 19. There fell some of Manasseh to David, when…
19. There fell some of Manasseh to David, when he came with the Philistines against Saul — On David’s connexion with this war, see 1Sa_28:1-2; 1Sa_29:1-11. As the march with the Philistines led David through the territory of Manasseh, it was easy for members of this tribe to join him as he returned to Ziklag.
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The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges 1878 · Public Domain 19–22. Manassite Adherents
19–22. Manassite Adherents
19. And there fell some of Manasseh] R.V. Of Manasseh aslo there fell away some.
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when he came with the Philistines] See 1Sa_28:1-2; 1Sa_29:1-11.
but they helped them not] David’s men did not help the Philistines.
upon advisement] “After consideration”; lit. “by counsel.” Cp. 1Ch_21:12, “advise thyself.”
fall] R.V. fall away.
to the jeopardy of our heads] Rather, at the price of our heads. David once became son-in-law to Saul at the price of the lives of two hundred of the Philistines (1Sa_18:27); their lords here (in Chron.) express their dread lest David reconcile himself to Saul by some act of treachery and slaughter done against his present Philistine patrons; cp. 1Sa_29:4 (“with” = “at the price of”).
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Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers 1878 · Public Domain (19) There fell.—The regular term for desertion of one…
(19) There fell.—The regular term for desertion of one cause for another (2Ki_25:11).
When he came with the Philistines.—(Comp. 1Sa_29:2-11.) This verse is a summary of the narrative of 1Sa_29:2 to 1Sa_30:1.
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They helped them not.—David and his men helped not the Philistines. Perhaps the right reading is he helped them (‘azarâm), not they helped them (‘azarûm).
Upon advisement.—After deliberation (Pro_20:18).
To the jeopardy of our heads.—At the price of our heads (1Ch_11:19). By betraying us he will make his peace with his old master.
(19-22) The seven Manassite chieftains who went over to David on the eve of Saul’s last battle.
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The Pulpit Commentary 1880 · Public Domain And there fell of Manasseh to David. Of this…
And there fell of Manasseh to David. Of this use of Al lp"n; there are many other examples (2Ch_15:9; Jer_37:14; 39:9). The phrase does not correspond with our own idiom of "falling to" one"s lot, but with that of" falling away" from the service or love of one to another, i.e. deserting. The occasion hero spoken of is described in full in 1Sa_29:2-11.
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unfoldingWord translationNotes 2017 · CC BY-SA 4.0 deserted to
deserted to
"left their leaders to join"
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He will desert to his master Saul
"He will stop fighting with us and fight for his master Saul"
Adnah, Jozabad, Jediael, Michael, Jozabad, Elihu, and Zillethai
These are the names of men. (See: How to Translate Names)
captains over thousands of Manasseh
This means that each of these men led groups of a thousand soldiers in the tribe of Manasseh. AT: "each a captain over 1,000 men in the tribe of Manasseh" (See: Numbers)
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Manasseh
Philistines
Saul (OT)
lord
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