punishing those who don’t know God, and to those who don’t obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus,
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punishing those who don’t know God, and to those who don’t obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus,
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in flammynge fyre rendrynge vengeaunce vnto them that knowe not God and to them that obeye not vnto the gospell of oure Lorde Iesus Christ
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In flaming fire, rendring vengeance vnto them, that doe not know God, and which obey not vnto the Gospel of our Lord Iesus Christ,
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- 1 Peter 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God. If it begins first with us, what will happen to those who don’t obey the Good News of God?
- Hebrews 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which will devour the adversaries.
- 2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens that exist now and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
- Psalms 79:6 Pour out your wrath on the nations that don’t know you, on the kingdoms that don’t call on your name;
- Hebrews 10:30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance belongs to me;” says the Lord, “I will repay.” Again, “The Lord will judge his people.”
- 2 Peter 3:10-12 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore since all these things will be destroyed like this, what kind of people ought you to be in holy living and godliness, looking for and earnestly desiring the coming of the day of God, which will cause the burning heavens to be dissolved, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
- Matthew 25:41 Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels;
- Romans 2:7-8 to those who by perseverance in well-doing seek for glory, honor, and incorruptibility, eternal life; but to those who are self-seeking, and don’t obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, will be wrath, indignation,
- Romans 6:16 Don’t you know that when you present yourselves as servants and obey someone, you are the servants of whomever you obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?
- Galatians 4:8 However at that time, not knowing God, you were in bondage to those who by nature are not gods.
- Hebrews 2:3 how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation—which at the first having been spoken through the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard,
- Revelation 20:14-15 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
- Zephaniah 1:6 those who have turned back from following Yahweh, and those who haven’t sought Yahweh nor inquired after him.
- Hebrews 12:29 for our God is a consuming fire.
- Revelation 20:10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet are also. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
- Revelation 6:16-17 They told the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, for the great day of his wrath has come; and who is able to stand?”
- Revelation 21:8 But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
- Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
- Exodus 5:2 Pharaoh said, “Who is Yahweh, that I should listen to his voice to let Israel go? I don’t know Yahweh, and moreover I will not let Israel go.”
- Deuteronomy 4:11 You came near and stood under the mountain. The mountain burned with fire to the heart of the sky, with darkness, cloud, and thick darkness.
- Deuteronomy 4:30 When you are in oppression, and all these things have come on you, in the latter days you shall return to Yahweh your God and listen to his voice.
- Deuteronomy 5:5 (I stood between Yahweh and you at that time, to show you Yahweh’s word; for you were afraid because of the fire, and didn’t go up onto the mountain) saying,
- Deuteronomy 32:35 Vengeance is mine, and recompense, at the time when their foot slides; for the day of their calamity is at hand. Their doom rushes at them.”
- Deuteronomy 32:41-42 if I sharpen my glittering sword, my hand grasps it in judgment; I will take vengeance on my adversaries, and will repay those who hate me. I will make my arrows drunk with blood. My sword shall devour flesh with the blood of the slain and the captives, from the head of the leaders of the enemy.”
- Psalms 2:9-12 You shall break them with a rod of iron. You shall dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.” Now therefore be wise, you kings. Be instructed, you judges of the earth. Serve Yahweh with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Give sincere homage to the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish on the way, for his wrath will soon be kindled. Blessed are all those who take refuge in him.
- Psalms 18:44 As soon as they hear of me they shall obey me. The foreigners shall submit themselves to me.
- Psalms 21:8-9 Your hand will find out all of your enemies. Your right hand will find out those who hate you. You will make them as a fiery furnace in the time of your anger. Yahweh will swallow them up in his wrath. The fire shall devour them.
- Psalms 50:2-6 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God shines out. Our God comes, and does not keep silent. A fire devours before him. It is very stormy around him. He calls to the heavens above, to the earth, that he may judge his people: “Gather my saints together to me, those who have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.” The heavens shall declare his righteousness, for God himself is judge.
- Psalms 94:1 Yahweh, you God to whom vengeance belongs, you God to whom vengeance belongs, shine out.
- Isaiah 27:11 When its boughs are withered, they will be broken off. The women will come and set them on fire, for they are a people of no understanding. Therefore he who made them will not have compassion on them, and he who formed them will show them no favor.
- Isaiah 61:2 to proclaim the year of Yahweh’s favor and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn,
- Daniel 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came out from before him. Thousands of thousands ministered to him. Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The judgment was set. The books were opened.
- Matthew 25:46 These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
- John 3:19 This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.
- Acts 6:7 The word of God increased and the number of the disciples greatly multiplied in Jerusalem. A great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.
- Romans 1:28 Even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
- 1 Thessalonians 4:5 not in the passion of lust, even as the Gentiles who don’t know God,
- Revelation 6:10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, Master, the holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
- 1 Samuel 2:12 Now the sons of Eli were wicked men. They didn’t know Yahweh.
- Psalms 9:10 Those who know your name will put their trust in you, for you, Yahweh, have not forsaken those who seek you.
- Isaiah 1:19 If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the good of the land;
- Isaiah 63:4-6 For the day of vengeance was in my heart, and the year of my redeemed has come. I looked, and there was no one to help; and I wondered that there was no one to uphold. Therefore my own arm brought salvation to me. My own wrath upheld me. I trod down the peoples in my anger and made them drunk in my wrath. I poured their lifeblood out on the earth.”
- Jeremiah 9:6 Your habitation is in the middle of deceit. Through deceit, they refuse to know me,” says Yahweh.
- John 8:19 They said therefore to him, “Where is your Father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”
- Romans 1:5 through whom we received grace and apostleship for obedience of faith among all the nations for his name’s sake;
- Romans 10:16 But they didn’t all listen to the glad news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”
- Romans 15:18 For I will not dare to speak of any things except those which Christ worked through me, for the obedience of the Gentiles, by word and deed,
- Romans 16:26
- 1 Corinthians 15:34 Wake up righteously, and don’t sin, for some have no knowledge of God. I say this to your shame.
- 2 Corinthians 10:5 throwing down imaginations and every high thing that is exalted against the knowledge of God and bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
- Galatians 3:1 Foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you not to obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was openly portrayed among you as crucified?
- Hebrews 5:9 Having been made perfect, he became to all of those who obey him the author of eternal salvation,
- Hebrews 11:8 By faith, Abraham, when he was called, obeyed to go out to the place which he was to receive for an inheritance. He went out, not knowing where he went.
- 1 Peter 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with his blood: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
- 1 Peter 3:6 So Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, whose children you now are, if you do well, and are not put in fear by any terror.
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John Calvin 1540 · Public Domain 8 Who will inflict vengeance. That he may the…
8 Who will inflict vengeance. That he may the better persuade believers that the persecutions which they endure will not go unpunished, he teaches that this also involves the interests of God himself, inasmuch as the same persons that persecute the pious are guilty of rebellion against God. Hence it is necessary that God should inflict vengeance upon them not merely with a view to our salvation, but also for the sake of his own glory. Farther, this expression, who will inflict vengeance, relates to Christ, for Paul intimates that this office is assigned to him by God the Father. It may be asked, however, whether it is lawful for us to desire vengeance, for Paul promises it, as though it could be lawfully desired. I answer, that it is not lawful to desire vengeance upon any one, inasmuch as we are commanded to wish well to all. Besides, although we may in a general way desire vengeance upon the wicked, yet, as we do not as yet discriminate them, we ought to desire the welfare of all. In the mean time, the ruin of the wicked may be lawfully looked forward to with desire, provided there reigns in our hearts a pure and duly regulated zeal for God, and there is no feeling of inordinate desire.
Who know not. He distinguishes unbelievers by these two marks — that they know not God, and obey not the gospel of Christ. For if obedience is not rendered to the gospel through faith, as he teaches in the first and in the last chapters of the Epistle to the Romans, [Romans 1:18ff, 16:17-19,] unbelief is the occasion of resistance to it. He charges them at the same time with ignorance of God, for a lively acquaintance with God produces of itself reverence towards him. Hence unbelief is always blind, not as though unbelievers were altogether devoid of light and intelligence, but because they have the understanding darkened in such a manner, that seeing they do not see. (Matthew 13:13.) It is not without good grounds that Christ declares that this is life eternal, to know the true God, etc. (John 17:3.) Accordingly, from the want of this salutary knowledge, there follows contempt of God, and in fine, death. On this point I have treated more fully in commenting on the first chapter of First Corinthians.
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Geneva Bible translators 1599 · Public Domain There is no knowledge of God unto salvation, without…
There is no knowledge of God unto salvation, without the Gospel of Christ.
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John Trapp 1656 · Public Domain 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that…
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Ver. 8. In flaming fire] Natural fire, 2Pe 3:6-7, whereby the elements shall melt like scalding lead upon the wicked, while they give account with all the world on a flaming fire about their ears. Of this last dreadful fire the very heathen had some blind notions. Esse quoque in fatis meminit, &c. (Ovid, Metam. lib. i.) Lucretius and Cicero (De Nat. Deor.) say somewhat to it, but little to the purpose.
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And that obey not the gospel] This is the grand sin of this age, Joh 3:19. No sin will gripe so in hell as this. This will be a bodkin at the heart one day, I might have been delivered, but I have wilfully cut the throat of my poor soul by refusing those rich offers of mercy made me in the gospel.
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Matthew Poole 1685 · Public Domain But his coming will be upon another account to…
But his coming will be upon another account to many others, which is said here to be to take vengeance, for which purpose he is said to be revealed with his mighty angels, or angels of might; and elsewhere, with all his holy angels. They are said to excel in strength, Psa 103:20, or to be mighty in strength, and have the name of might, Eph 1:21. And here called mighty, because as the work Christ comes upon is great and difficult, so he will have instruments sufficient for it, and none shall be able to hinder. And though he hath power himself sufficient, yet the angels must attend him to solemnize this great day, and to be serviceable to him in the work thereof, which, as it will respect the saints in their resurrection from the dead, and their gathering from the four winds, and separating them from the ungodly, as tares from the wheat and sheep from the goats, so the taking vengeance also in this day of the Lord’s wrath, which the apostle, especially, is in these verses speaking of, is the work they shall be employed in. As also in flaming fire, or the fire of flame, a Hebraism. Fire is the most dreadful of all the elements, especially flaming, to denote the great wrath of that day, and its breaking forth, as fire when it flameth. God’s wrath is often expressed in Scripture by fire, Deu 32:22; Psa 97:3, &c.; Jer 21:12; Heb 10:27; and as that which attendeth the great day of Christ, Dan 7:10; 1Co 3:13; 2Pe 3:7,12. And whether this flaming fire is material, or only metaphorical; if material, whether the present elementary fire, which shall descend, and be joined with that which shall break forth out of the bowels of the earth, as in Noah’s flood the waters were from above and from beneath; or whether it shall be some new created fire, and the action of it natural, or supernatural, I shall leave it to the schoolmen. Yet it is generally conceived it is a material fire; else how can the elements be said to melt with fervent heat, and the world and the works thereof burnt up, as the apostle Peter speaks, 2Pe 3:10; and parallels it with the deluge in Noah’s time, which was with material water. But yet it is to be a manifestation of the fire of God’s wrath, and an instrument of it also in the destruction of ungodly men, 2Pe 3:7; for it is said in the text, Christ is revealed in it to take vengeance. Vengeance is an act of justice; it is a retribution of evil for evil, the evil of suffering for the evil done: and God claims it as belonging to himself, Psa 94:1; Rom 12:19; Heb 10:27; and it is mentioned in the parable, Luk 18:7,8, as one great work of Christ, at his coming, to avenge the elect.
On them that know not God; these are the persons upon whom he will execute vengeance: by whom some think are meant the heathen, who had not the gospel. Those that had not the gospel, yet had means to know God, by the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence, which if they did not improve, but remained ignorant of God, will fall under this vengeance. And by knowledge here is not meant so much a speculative as a practical knowledge of God; and so such as do not fear, love, and honour God, may be said not to know him. As the Gentiles, who are said to know God, Rom 1:21, but yet not glorifying him as God, and living in idolatry, are said not to know him, Gal 4:8; 1Th 4:5. And as God tells the king of Judah, that to do justice and judgment is to know him, Jer 22:16. And Eli’s sons, though priests, yet are said not to know the Lord, 1Sa 2:12.
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And that obey not the gospel; which may be taken in conjunction with the former words, and then such as obey not the gospel are the same with them that know not God. As God is not known aright but by the gospel, so they only know God aright by the gospel who obey it. Some are ignorant and know not God, though they live under the gospel. Or, such as have knowledge, yet are not obedient. Knowledge and obedience ought to go together. And this obedience is called the obeying of the gospel. The gospel hath not only promises to be believed, but precepts to be obeyed. Yea, faith itself may fall under its precepts, and then those that believe not the gospel do not obey it: as the same word in the Greek signifies to believe and obey. And as the gospel hath some peculiar precepts and institutions, so all the commands of the moral law are comprehended in it; and the equitable part of the judicial law, yea, and the ceremonial law also, where that which is moral is figured by it; and so far as the gospel commands, men ought to obey; and disobedience appears to be a great evil, when it will expose men to this great vengeance. So Rom 2:8,9; To them that do not obey the truth, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, & c. Not to obey the law of nature, exposed the heathen to God’s wrath, Rom 1:18; and to disobey the law of Moses, the Jew, Rom 2:2; Heb 2:3; 10:28; Heb 12:25; much more not to obey the gospel. Christ is said here especially to take vengeance of such at his coming. Gospel sins are most heinous and most provoking, and will be most severely punished.
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John Gill 1763 · Public Domain In flaming fire,.... Which may either refer to Christ,…
In flaming fire,.... Which may either refer to Christ, who will be revealed from heaven in such a manner; and whose coming will be as the lightning, not only sudden, but glorious, illustrious, and visible; he will be seen and easily discerned; there will be such a light and flaming fire about him, which, as it will serve to make him visible, will greatly add to the majesty of his appearance, and strike terror to his enemies, and burn them up round about; see Dan 7:7 or else it may refer to the angels, who shall descend in fiery forms, which is agreeably to their nature, Psa 104:4 and so they appeared in the forms of horses of fire, and chariots of fire, when Elijah was carried up to heaven. And it is a tradition of the Jews (z), that the angel Gabriel descended , "in a flame of fire", to burn Moses, as he was in the inn, when upon his journey from Midian to Egypt: or this clause may be read in construction with the following, as it is in the Vulgate Latin and Syriac versions, "in flaming fire taking vengeance"; and so expresses the manner in which vengeance will be taken on the wicked by Christ, the Judge of all, to whom it belongs: and the punishment of ungodly men is often signified by fire, and flames of fire, by the fire of hell, and a lake which burns with fire and brimstone, by a furnace of fire, everlasting fire, and fire that cannot be quenched, to set forth the endless torture and inconceivable misery of the damned; and it may be, some regard is had to the general conflagration, which will be at the coming of Christ, when the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved, the elements shall melt with fervent heat, and the earth, and all that is in it, shall be burnt up, when the bodies of the wicked, then living, will be consumed in flames of fire, and their souls feel the wrath of the Almighty. The persons who will then be punished, and on whom vengeance will be taken, are described as follows,
on them that know not God; which is a periphrasis, or common character of the Gentiles, Th1 4:5 who know not the one, true, and living God; or know him not so as to glorify him as God, and be thankful to him for the mercies they receive from him, and still less know him in Christ Jesus; which ignorance of theirs is not without sin, nor will it excuse from punishment; for though vengeance will not be taken on them, because they have not a spiritual saving knowledge of God, in the Mediator Jesus Christ, who never was revealed to them; yet forasmuch as they had the light and law of nature, by which the being of God, and the invisible perfections of his nature might be seen and understood, and much of his will, with respect to moral good and evil, be known, against both which they have rebelled, and having sinned, will perish without law: though it may also include all such persons, who having been favoured with an external revelation, have professed to know God, and yet in works have denied him:
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and that obey not the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ; of which Christ is the author, was the preacher, and is the sum and substance; which is good news and glad tidings of the grace of, God, of peace, pardon, righteousness, life, and salvation by Christ; which may be said to be obeyed, when it is received and embraced by faith, with and from the heart, and confession is made of it with the mouth, and the ordinances of it are submitted to; and which is called the obedience of faith, because faith without obedience is not right, and obedience without faith is of no avail: but all that hear the Gospel do not obey it; there are some that disbelieve and reject the doctrines and ordinances of it, and others that, do profess it, and do not yield a cordial and cheerful obedience to it; both may be reckoned among the disobeyers of it: and though the unbelieving Jews may be chiefly designed here, yet deists of every age and place, where the Gospel revelation has come, and carnal professors, and profane despisers everywhere, may be included; whose condemnation will be aggravated by the external light which has shone around them, and they have hated; the severest punishment will be inflicted on them; it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon, Sodom and Gomorrah, than for such persons; see Pe1 4:17.
(z) Zohar in Gen. fol. 63. 2.
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John Wesley 1765 · Public Domain Taking vengeance - Does God barely permit this, or…
Taking vengeance - Does God barely permit this, or (as "the Lord" once "rained brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven," Gen. xix, 24) does a fiery stream go forth from him forever? Who know not God - (The root of all wickedness and misery) who remain in heathen ignorance. And who obey not - This refers chiefly to the Jews, who had heard the gospel.
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Adam Clarke 1810 · Public Domain Verse 8. In flaming fire] εν φλογι πυρος. In…
Verse 8. In flaming fire] εν φλογι πυρος. In thunder and lightning, taking vengeance-inflicting just punishment on them that know not God-the heathen who do not worship the true God, and will not acknowledge him, but worship idols; and on them that obey not the Gospel-the Jews, particularly who have rejected the Gospel, and persecuted Christ and his messengers; and all nominal Christians who, though they believe the Gospel as a revelation from God, yet do not obey it as a rule of life.
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Albert Barnes 1834 · Public Domain In flaming fire - This is a circumstance which…
In flaming fire - This is a circumstance which is not noticed in the account of his appearing in the parallel place in 1Th 4:16. The object of the apostle here seems to be to represent him as coming amidst vivid flashes of lightning. He is commonly described as coming in clouds, and to that common description there is here added the image of incessant lightnings, as if the whole heavens were illuminated with a continued blaze.
Taking vengeance - Margin, “yielding.” Greek, “giving. The word “vengeance” is used in the sense of punishment, for there cannot be in God what literally corresponds with the passion of revenge; compare the notes on Rom 12:19.
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On them that know not God. - On all who are strangers to him; that is, who are living in pagan darkness, or who, having heard of him, have no practical acquaintance with him.
And that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. - Who do not embrace it, and practice its precepts in their lives; compare the notes on Rom 2:9.
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Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset & David Brown 1871 · Public Domain In flaming fire--Greek, "In flame of fire"; or, as…
In flaming fire--Greek, "In flame of fire"; or, as other oldest manuscripts read, "in fire of flame." This flame of fire accompanied His manifestation in the bush (Exo 3:2); also His giving of the law at Sinai (Exo 19:18). Also it shall accompany His revelation at His advent (Dan 7:9-10), symbolizing His own bright glory and His consuming vengeance against His foes (Heb 10:27; Heb 12:29; Pe2 3:7, Pe2 3:10).
taking--literally, "giving" them, as their portion, "vengeance."
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know not God--the Gentiles primarily (Psa 79:6; Gal 4:8; Th1 4:5); not of course those involuntarily not knowing God, but those wilfully not knowing Him, as Pharaoh, who might have known God if he would, but who boasted "I know not the Lord" (Exo 5:2); and as the heathen persecutors who might have known God by the preaching of those whom they persecuted. Secondarily, all who "profess to know God but in works deny Him" (Tit 1:16).
obey not the gospel--primarily the unbelieving Jews (Rom 10:3, Rom 10:16); secondarily, all who obey not the truth (Rom 2:8).
Christ--omitted by some of the oldest manuscripts, and retained by others.
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Daniel D. Whedon 1874 · Public Domain 8. In flaming fire—Greek, in a fire (consisting) of…
8. In flaming fire—Greek, in a fire (consisting) of flame; in a pure fiery flame. Not the penal fire of gehenna, but the resplendent and consuming blaze of his glorious epiphany. Compare 2Th_2:8.
Taking vengeance—More literally, administering retribution.
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Them—The troublers, who are divided (as the repeated Greek article shows) into two classes, the pagans who ignore God, and the Jews who reject his Son— Messiah.
Know not God—Specifically applied to the Gentiles in 1Th_4:5. They once in former ages knew God; they then began to bow in reverence to finite material or animal representatives of God; and they then lost sight of the Infinite in the finite, first forming finite living gods, as in classic mythology, and last, holding the worshipped object or idol as a god, as in fetichism.
Obey not the gospel—Messiah’s glad announcement. Descriptive, especially, of the Jews rejecting their own Christ. Rom_10:3; Rom_10:16; Rom_10:21.
Lord Jesus Christ—Repeated from 2Th_1:7. The rejected one is the avenging one.
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The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges 1878 · Public Domain 8. in flaming fire] Lit., fire of flame; or,…
8. in flaming fire] Lit., fire of flame; or, in other copies, flame of fire. “Fire” is a symbol of Divine anger and majesty, in Scripture; and “flame” is fire in motion, leaping and blazing out. According to 2Pe_3:7; 2Pe_3:10, fire will be the means of destruction for the visible world at the Day of the Lord; while in Heb_1:7, quoted from Psalms 104, this element is represented as a form of angelic manifestation (see last note). In 1Co_3:13-15 fire is itself made the means of judgement.
The comma parting this clause from 2Th_1:7 in the A.V. must be struck out. The “flaming fire” is the element “in” which the Lord Jesus is “revealed” not the means by which He “takes vengeance” on the wicked. It is His awful robe of glory. The words which follow show why He must appear hi majesty so dreadful:
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taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ] Better, rendering vengeance to them (R. V.). We must dissociate from “vengeance” all notions of vindictiveness and passion; it is the inflicting of full justice on the criminal—nothing more, nothing less. In this sense it is written, “Vengeance belongeth unto Me; I will repay, saith the Lord” (Deu_32:35; Rom_12:19; Heb_10:30). The wronged are forbidden to avenge themselves, just because this is God’s prerogative. Now “the Father hath committed all judgement to the Son” (Joh_5:22)—this, therefore, with the rest.
The R. V. properly distinguishes the two classes here marked out for retribution. Those who know not God belong to the heathen; on this expression comp. note to 1Th_4:5. In Rom_1:18-25, speaking of the heathenism of his own day and of the course and working of Gentile idolatry, the Apostle declares that this ignorance of God was wilful, that idolatry was the outcome of ungodliness, and that its wickedness was shown by the horrible depravity of morals it produced. It was therefore culpable in the highest degree and merited vengeance, being the ignorance of men who “did not think God worth having in their knowledge” (Rom_1:28). Such is the sentence that St Paul pronounces on the Paganism of his time, in view of its general character and fruits. By no means does he suppose that this “vengeance” will fall on all idolaters at the Last Day, and for the mere fact of “not knowing God” as Christians do. He speaks otherwise in Rom_2:14. Countless millions of heathen have had no such knowledge of God brought to them. Each will be judged according to his personal responsibility and share in the common offence. God “leaves Himself not without witness to any” (Act_14:17; Joh_1:9); and by the measure of light and opportunity vouchsafed to him will the conduct of every man be weighed and estimated. The Apostle is thinking of the Gentile persecutors at Thessalonica (2Th_1:6), who refused the knowledge of God and showed their hatred to Him by their hatred toward His children (comp. Joh_15:24; 1Jn_3:13).
Those who obey not the gospel are all, whether Jews or Gentiles, to whose knowledge God’s good news of Christ is brought, and who reject the message. Obedience is practical faith, the submission of heart and life to the demands of Christ. This is what such men refuse; they will not say, “Jesus is Lord” (1Co_12:3; Php_2:10). And the wilful rejecters of Christ became furious persecutors.
St Paul’s warning echoes that of Christ concerning all who are brought face to face with His Gospel: “He that disbelieveth shall be condemned” (Mar_16:16). This condemnation takes effect at once, and operates in the present life; it has the certainty of a moral law: “He that believeth not is condemned already. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light” (Joh_3:18-19). This sentence the Lord Jesus pronounces now on those who, with His light shining upon them, refuse Him the obedience of faith. The Judgement of the Last Day will be the consummation of this present, actual judgement.
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Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers 1878 · Public Domain (8) In flaming fire.—Most critics agree to change the…
(8) In flaming fire.—Most critics agree to change the punctuation here, by omitting the comma after “angels” and inserting it after “fire.” The flaming fire here is not the instrument of the vengeance—i.e., hell-fire—but the common pictorial attribute of the Divine Presence (Exo_3:2; Exo_19:18; Dan_7:9).
Taking vengeance.—The expression in the original is one which is said to be found nowhere else in Greek literature, save in Eze_25:14 (though in Hebrew there is an almost exact equivalent in Num_31:3), so that it is difficult to assign the correct meaning. It certainly does not mean “taking vengeance” in the sense of “taking His revenge,” as though our Lord had conceived a personal grudge and were wreaking it. What it does mean would seem to be “assigning retribution:” appointing, that is, to each man what satisfaction of justice he must make. The very word for “vengeance” can only mean vengeance exacted on some one else’s behalf. (Comp. 1Th_4:6, and Psa_79:10.)
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On them that know not God.—According to the Greek, the word “them” should be repeated also in the next clause. The effect will then be to mark off the culprits into two classes: “them that know not,” and “them that obey not.” A comparison of Eph_4:17-18, 1Th_4:5, shows that by the first class are meant Gentiles; a comparison of Rom_10:16; Rom_10:21 (and many other passages) will show disobedience to be the characteristic of the Jews. The Greek negative particle here is one which shows that the ignorance of the one set and the disobedience of the other were just the points for which they were to be punished: therefore, of course, only those Gentiles whose ignorance was voluntary, who chose (Rom_1:28) to be Gentiles when they might have been joined to the true God, are objects of wrath. Here, as the context shows, St. Paul is thinking chiefly of those Gentiles and Jews who actually persecuted the truth.
Obey not the gospel.—A noteworthy phrase; see the reference. The gospel, the “glad tidings,” contains not only a statement of facts, but also a call to obey a law which is the outcome of the facts. Even the acceptance of evangelical promises requires a submission. (Comp. Luk_24:47; Act_11:18; Rev_22:3.) It is here called specially the gospel “of our Lord Jesus Christ,” because the sin of the Jews (who constitute this class of sinners) consisted precisely in the wilful rejection of Jesus as the Christ.
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The Pulpit Commentary 1880 · Public Domain In flaming fire; not the instrument of punishment flaming…
In flaming fire; not the instrument of punishment flaming fire taking vengeance;" but a further description of the glory of Christ"s appearance in flaming fire." In the Old Testament God is represented as appearing in flaming fire, as when he manifested himself to Moses in the burning bush (Exo_3:2; Act_7:30) and especially his coming to judgment is represented as coming in fire. (Psa_97:3) What is there asserted of God is here referred to Christ. (Rev_19:21) There is also a probable reference to the Shechinah or cloud of glory in which Christ will appear for judgment trey. 1:7). Some also suppose a reference to the fire of the universal conflagration which shall usher in the last day, (2Pe_3:10) and others to the fire which shall consume the ungodly, but it is best to restrict the expression to the glory of Christ"s manifestation. Taking vengeance; literally, giving; that is, awarding or allotting vengeance, representing the act, not of a conqueror or of an avenger, but of a righteous Judge. On them that know not God the unbelieving Gentilesand that; or rather, on them that; a second class being here denoted. Obey not the gospel of our Lord Jests Christ; namely, the unbelieving Jews. The ignorance of the one and the disobedience of the other were the causes of their punishment.
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The Biblical Illustrator 1887 · Public Domain In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know…
2Th_1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God and obey not the gospel
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Christs coming
I.
The terrible manner of Christs coming. In flaming fire, which serves--
1. To set forth the majesty of the Judge (Act_7:20; Deu_5:22-23; Psa_50:3).
2. As the instrument of punishment on the wicked (Mat_13:42; Mat_25:41).
3. To burn up the world (2Pe_3:10-11).
II. The persons brought to judgment and the rules of procedure.
1. Some had no other discovery of God but from the course of nature and the instincts of conscience--these shall not be judged for not believing in Christ, but for not knowing God (Rom_2:12-15). Therefore among the Gentiles--
(1) All Atheists who deny Gods Being are obnoxious to judgment.
(2) All idolaters who corrupt the worship of God.
(3) All wicked men who when they know God glorify Him not as God, etc. (Rom_1:21).
(4) All who despise and resist Gods authority (Exo_5:2). What is all this to us?
To teach us--
(1) That ignorance of God excuses no man from judgment. Whether foreign nations or His own people, God will punish them for wilful ignorance of necessary things.
(2) That it is not enough to know God unless we know Him as we ought to know Him (Tit_1:16).
(3) That the more means there are of knowing God, the greater the crime if we do not know His will (Luk_12:47).
2. Some having a discovery of Christ and His salvation are judged by the gospel.
(1) All such obey not the gospel.
(a) Who obstinately refuse to entertain the doctrine of Christ and His salvation (1Pe_4:17).
(b) Who profess to believe but practically deny (Eph_2:2; Eph_3:6).
(c) Who apostatize (Heb_10:39).
(2) Who shall be judged by the terror of the gospel dispensation.
(a) Those who have lived in the clear sunshine of the gospel (Mar_16:16). They are condemned because of their sins against God, and their refusal of the remedy (Joh_3:18-19).
(b) Those to whom the object of faith was more obscurely propounded.
(i) Those who lived before or after the Flood. Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are in the chronicle of faith (Heb_11:1-40; 1Pe_3:19-20).
(ii) Those who lived under the legal administration of the covenant of grace shall be judged according to that (Rom_2:12). The law was more manifest, but the way of salvation was clear enough (Psa_130:3-4; Psa_143:2).
(iii) Those who lived under the ministry of John and of our Lord (Joh_8:24).
(iv) Those who, under the dispensation of the Spirit, know Christ more or less: Mohammedans and Jews.
(v) Those Christians to whom Christ is offered more or less purely: Papists, Socinians, etc. However God may deal with the vulgar who err in the simplicity of their hearts, we know not; but their leaders are terribly responsible. (T. Manton, D. D.)
Ignorance and disobedience
I. Know not God. There is a twofold knowledge of God.
1. Speculative.
(1) The bare sight of the truth; empty and cold notions about God and religion.
(a) Such as many of the heathen have (Rom_1:21).
(b) The Jews (Rom_2:19-20).
(c) Formal Christians (2Ti_3:5).
(2) There are different degrees of this knowledge.
(a) Memorative, such as children have who are taught to speak of Divine mysteries by rote, but are not affected by them.
(b) Opinionative, when not only the memory is charged but the judgment exercised, yet wisdom enters not upon the heart (Pro_2:10). This makes men disputers about, but not practicers of godliness (Pro_2:10).
(c) Sufficiently cordial to be reformative but not regenerating.
2. Practical and saving. We must know God--
(1) So as to trust in Him (Psa_9:10).
(2) So as to love Him (1Co_8:3).
(3) So as to obey Him (1Jn_2:4; Jer_22:16).
Our practices must speak out our knowledge. So then all they that know not God so as to fear Him for His majesty and power, love Him for His goodness, trust Him for His wisdom, imitate Him for His holiness, obey Him for His authority, so as to seek Him and delight in Him, are obnoxious to Christs judgment. He has no religion who has no god, and he has no god who prefers his lusts to obedience.
II. that obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is not enough to profess the gospel, we must obey it. This obedience is necessary whether we consider--
1. The gospel which is the sum of things to be believed and done. Its three commands are--
(1) Repentance (Isa_1:19-20).
(2) Faith in Christ (1Jn_3:23; Heb_2:3).
(3) New obedience (Tit_2:12).
2. Faith, which also implies obedience (Rom_10:16; Rom_1:5; Rom_16:26; Act_6:7) for it is a hearty consent to take the blessedness offered for our happiness, the duty required for our work, and so has an influence on our whole obedience.
3. Christ.
(1) His example (Heb_5:8-9; Php_2:8).
(2) His authority and sovereignty (Act_5:31).
III. Uses.
1. If you would have the comfort and not the terror of the Day of Judgment, you must obey the gospel (Rom_6:16).
2. What we have to do is to study to know the Lord, that we may believe in Him and serve Him. (T. Manton , D. D.)
Ignorance of God
We read of an ancient king who, desiring to ascertain what was the natural language of man, ordered two infants as soon as they were born, to be conveyed to a place prepared for them, where they were brought up without any instruction, and without ever hearing a human voice, and what was the event! Why that when they were at length brought out of their confinement, they spake no language at all; they uttered only inarticulate sounds like those of other animals. Were two infants in like manner to be brought up from the womb without being instructed in any religion, there is little room to doubt but (unless the grace of God interposed) the event would be just the same. They would have no religion at all: no more knowledge of God than the beasts of the field. Such is natural religion abstracted from traditional and from the influences of Gods Spirit. (J. Wesley.)
Degrees of Divine knowledge
A young child who has hitherto fancied that the rim of the sky rests on the earth a few miles away, and that the whole world lies within that circle, sails down the Forth there, and sees the river banks gradually widening, and the river passing into a frith. When he comes back he tells his companions how large the ocean is. Poor boy! he has not seen the ocean--only the widened river. Just so with all creature knowledge of God. Though all the archangels were to utter all they knew there would still remain an infirmity untold. (J. Culross, D. D.)
Loyalty and disloyalty to the Gospel
During the Civil War in America those who were loyal displayed the banner of the United States on every house almost throughout the country. Such was the case in Fredericksburg: but when the inhabitants found that Stonewall Jackson and a regiment of Confederates were approaching, they all, with one exception, were frightened and concealed their signs of loyalty. An elderly woman named Barbara Frike had the courage to display the banner outside her window. When the general saw it he ordered the soldiers to fire at it. In the midst of the fire and the smoke the old dame put her head out, and shouted, Strike my grey head, but spare the banner of my country. Her courage overpowered the general, and he ordered his men to let her alone. (Dr. Rees.)
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B. W. Johnson 1891 · Public Domain 8. In flaming fire. The flaming fire denotes brightness,…
8. In flaming fire. The flaming fire denotes brightness, glory, purity, and also destruction to adversaries. Dazzling brightness is always associated with his coming. God was revealed at Sinai in flaming fire (Exod. 3:2; 19:18). Them that know not God. Know him not because they refuse to know him. See Rom. 1:28. And obey not. This class refuse to accept and obey the gospel. Their day of grace will end with the day of the Lord.
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J. W. McGarvey 1914 · Public Domain rendering vengeance to them that know not God, and…
rendering vengeance to them that know not God, and to them that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus [The patience and faith of the Thessalonians were a manifest token (i. e., pledge, proof or demonstration) of that coming day wherein God will disclose the righteousness of his judgments, and wherein all apparent violations of justice shall be rectified ( Ecc_3:16-17; Phi_1:28 ). The purpose of this judgment will be that those who suffer for the kingdom of God may graciously be counted worthy of the heavenly joys of that kingdom, and that the wicked may be punished. If it is indeed a righteous thing (and who can doubt it?) for God to recompense evil for evil, so that those who afflict the righteous shall themselves be afflicted, and those who have suffered affliction for righteousness' sake may find rest with their fellow-Christians when Jesus, who is now hidden from their sight in heaven, reveals himself to human vision with the angels which display his power, and with that flaming fire which at once shows forth his glory and consumes his enemies ( Heb_10:27 ; Heb_12:29 ), rendering vengeance as a great judge, not as a resentful potentate, to them that willfully know not God-- Exo_5:2 ; Rom_1:28 ; Luk_12:47-48 ; Rom_2:14-15 (principally Gentiles), and them that obey not the gospel (principally Jews)-- Rom_10:3 ; Rom_10:16 . In verse 6 Paul draws a comparison between the law which forbids retaliation to the individual ( Rom_12:17 ), and that which accords it to all government, especially the government of God himself, under whose rule unforgiven iniquity never escapes punishment ( Heb_2:2 ; Rev_20:12 ). He does this to show that God is under the second and not under the first law. In verse 7 we are reminded that the negative happiness of heaven is rest from all afflictions, sorrows, pains, persecutions, etc. ( Heb_4:9 ; Rev_14:13 ; Rev_21:4 ). It is the quiet haven of the storm-tossed bark. Continuing the thought, Paul says further of the objects of God's vengeance--]:
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