Though you grind a fool in a mortar with a pestle along with grain, yet his foolishness will not be removed from him.
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Though you grind a fool in a mortar with a pestle along with grain, yet his foolishness will not be removed from him.
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Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him.
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Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar with a pestle among groats, yet will not his foolishness depart from him.
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- Proverbs 23:35 “They hit me, and I was not hurt! They beat me, and I don’t feel it! When will I wake up? I can do it again. I can find another.”
- Jeremiah 5:3 O Yahweh, don’t your eyes look on truth? You have stricken them, but they were not grieved. You have consumed them, but they have refused to receive correction. They have made their faces harder than a rock. They have refused to return.
- Isaiah 1:5 Why should you be beaten more, that you revolt more and more? The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
- Revelation 16:10-11 The fifth poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom was darkened. They gnawed their tongues because of the pain, and they blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores. They didn’t repent of their works.
- Exodus 12:30 Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt, for there was not a house where there was not one dead.
- Exodus 14:5 The king of Egypt was told that the people had fled; and the heart of Pharaoh and of his servants was changed toward the people, and they said, “What is this we have done, that we have let Israel go from serving us?”
- Jeremiah 44:15-16 Then all the men who knew that their wives burned incense to other gods, and all the women who stood by, a great assembly, even all the people who lived in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying, “As for the word that you have spoken to us in Yahweh’s name, we will not listen to you.
- Exodus 15:9 The enemy said, ‘I will pursue. I will overtake. I will divide the plunder. My desire will be satisfied on them. I will draw my sword. My hand will destroy them.’
- 2 Chronicles 28:22-23 In the time of his distress, he trespassed yet more against Yahweh, this same king Ahaz. For he sacrificed to the gods of Damascus, which struck him. He said, “Because the gods of the kings of Syria helped them, so I will sacrifice to them, that they may help me.” But they were the ruin of him, and of all Israel.
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John Trapp 1656 · Public Domain Pro 27:22 Though thou shouldest bray a fool in…
Pro 27:22 Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, [yet] will not his foolishness depart from him.
Ver. 22. Though thou shouldst bray a fool, &c.] The cypress tree, the more it is watered the more it is withered. So it is with the wicked. Humbled they are, but not humble; low, but not lowly; "wearied" in sin, as Babylon was "in the greatness of her way," {Isa 47:13} but not weary of it. Of these Augustine, Perdidistis, saith he, utilitatem calamitatis, miserrimi factis estis, et pessimi permansistis, {a} ye have lost the fruit of your afflictions; ye have suffered much, and are never the better. "By this the iniquity of Jacob shall be purged, and this is all the fruit, the taking away of his sin." {Isa 27:9} And if this be not done, God will say, as once, "In thy filthiness is lewdness. Because I have purged thee, and thou wast not purged, thou shalt have thy will, thou shalt not be purged"; but then I will have my will too, for "I will cause my fury to rest upon thee." {Eze 24:13} How likest thou that?
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{a} De Civ. Dei, lib. i. cap. 33.
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Matthew Poole 1685 · Public Domain Not a natural, but a moral and wilful fool,…
Not a natural, but a moral and wilful fool, who by long continuance in sin is hardened and stupefied, and so incorrigible under all the means of amendment.
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Matthew Henry 1710 · Public Domain Solomon had said (Pro 22:15), The foolishness which is…
Solomon had said (Pro 22:15), The foolishness which is bound in the heart of a child may be driven out by the rod of correction, for then the mind is to be moulded, the vicious habits not having taken root; but here he shows that, if it be not done then, it will be next to impossible to do it afterwards; if the disease be inveterate, there is a danger of its being incurable. Can the Ethiopian change his skin? Observe, 1. Some are so bad that rough and severe methods must be used with them, after gentle means have been tried in vain; they must be brayed in a mortar. God will take this way with them by his judgments; the magistrates must take this way with them by the rigour of the law. Force must be used with those that will not be ruled by reason, and love, and their own interest. 2. Some are so incorrigibly bad that even those rough and severe methods do not answer the end, their foolishness will not depart from them, so fully are their hearts set in them to do evil; they are often under the rod and yet not humbled, in the furnace and yet not refined, but, like Ahaz, trespass yet more (Ch2 28:22); and what remains then but that they should be rejected as reprobate silver?
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John Gill 1763 · Public Domain For riches are not for ever,.... A man cannot…
For riches are not for ever,.... A man cannot be assured of the continuance of them; they are uncertain things, here today and gone tomorrow: wherefore, though a man has a considerable share of them, yet should follow one calling or another; particularly husbandry is recommended, or keeping sheep and cattle, which are increasing; by which means his substance will be continued and augmented, which otherwise is not to be depended on, but in a diligent attendance to business;
and doth the crown endure to every generation? the royal crown, that is not to be depended upon; a king that wears a crown is not sure he shall always wear it, or that it shall be continued to his family one generation after another. And it is suggested, that it is not even beneath such persons to have a regard to their flocks and herds, and the increase of their riches in this way: the Chinese kings, many of them, formerly employed themselves in husbandry, and set examples of industry and diligence to their subjects (t); King Hezekiah provided himself possessions of flocks and herds in abundance, Ch2 32:28.
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(t) Vid. Martin. Hist. Sinica, p. 92, 93, 326.
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Adam Clarke 1810 · Public Domain Verse 22. Though thou shouldest bray a fool] Leaving…
Verse 22. Though thou shouldest bray a fool] Leaving all other conjectures, of which commentators are full, I would propose, that this is a metaphor taken from pounding metallic ores in very large mortars, such as are still common in the East, in order that, when subjected to the action of the fire, the metal may be the more easily separated from the ore. However you may try, by precept or example, or both, to instruct a stupid man, your labour is lost; his foolishness cannot be separated from him. You may purge metals of all their dross; but you cannot purge the fool of his folly.
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Joseph Benson 1811 · Public Domain Pro 27:22. Though thou shouldest bray, &c. — “The…
Pro 27:22. Though thou shouldest bray, &c. — “The folly and wickedness of some men are so incurable, that though unto reproofs, and chidings, and threatenings, you should add stripes and blows, they would not grow a whit the wiser or better for it.” Not natural, but moral and wilful fools are here intended, who, by long continuance in sin, are hardened and stupified, and so are become incorrigible under all the means of amendment.
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Albert Barnes 1834 · Public Domain Bray - To pound wheat in a mortar with…
Bray - To pound wheat in a mortar with a pestle, in order to free the wheat from its husks and impurities, is to go through a far more elaborate process than threshing. But the folly of the fool is not thus to be got rid of. It sticks to him to the last; all discipline, teaching, experience seem to be wasted on him.
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Charles Bridges 1846 · Public Domain The allusion is to the Eastern mode of beating…
The allusion is to the Eastern mode of beating off the husk from the corn by braying it in a mortar.†1 Yet the husk sticks not so close to the grain, as foolishness to the fool. The beating of the mortar may separate the one. The other will not depart by repeated strokes. Much is said of the effectiveness of correction.†2 But of itself it works nothing. What can it do for the fool, that despises it?†3 "The rod" as an ordinary means, "will drive foolishness out of the heart of a child."†4 But the child is here become a man in strength of habit, and stubbornness of will. As soon, therefore, "can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots," as those can do good, "who are accustomed to do evil." (Jer 13:23 .)
Examples of this incurable hardness abound. The deluge — that besom of divine vengeance — destroyed the race, not the foolishness, of man. Nay — God himself declared its inefficacy for this end. (Gen 8:21 .) Pharaoh was once and again brayed in the mortar; yet did not his foolishness depart from him.†5 Ahaz under the same infliction "trespassed yet more against the LORD," and stands out as a beacon to all ages — "This is that king Ahaz"!†6 "Why should ye be stricken any more?" — was the desponding complaint of God concerning his Israel.†7 The deepest infliction of chastisement produces only the fruit of blasphemy and hardened impenitence.†8 If Manasseh’s foolishness, when brayed in the mortar, departed from him;†9 this was not the innate power of affliction, but the superadded power of Sovereign Grace, which can turn any evil, even sin itself, to eternal good. The belief in the necessary working of affliction for our saving good is a fatal delusion. Never did it of itself bring one soul to God. In all cases, it is only what God is pleased to make it. It may even be tenfold more severe. The blows may be so mighty, as to make the most stupefied soul quiver with intense feeling. Still if the rock be broken, the broken pieces will retain all their native hardness. The man may be crushed, yet not humbled. Still will he cling to his foolishness; and part with Christ and heaven, rather than with that which is interwoven into every part of his nature. Was it not thus — Christian — with thyself, till Omnipotent love awakened, what chastisement alone could never have stirred, the cry of unreserved submission? — ’Lord! spare me not; bruise me; humble me; do anything with me, but leave me under my sins. Who can deliver me, if thou dost not?’ Most welcome is the "bemoaning" of the penitent child to his yearning father. "Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God. Surely after I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh; I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth. Is Ephraim my dear son? Is he a pleasant child? For since I spake against him, I do earnestly remember him still; therefore my bowels are troubled for him: I will surely have mercy upon him, saith the LORD."†10
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†1 Many commentators conceive a reference to this mode of punishment still practiced in the East. See Calmet — Parkhurst. Horne’s Introduction, iii. 157. Burder’s Oriental Customs. But perhaps the figurative allusion is more simple.
†2 Pro 23:13-14; Pro 29:15, Pro 29:17 .
†3 Pro 12:1; Pro 15:10 .
†4 Pro 22:15.
†5 Exo 9:27; Exo 10:16 ; Exo 12:29-32 ; Exo 14:5 .
†6 2Ch 28:22 .
†7 Isa 1:5. Compare Isa 9:13 . Jer 5:3 ; Jer 44:9-10, Jer 44:15-16. Eze 24:13 . Amo 4:11-12 .
†8 Rev 16:10-11.
†9 2Ch 33:12-13 .
†10 Jer 31:18-20. Compare Hos 14:1-4 . Luk 15:18-24 .
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Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary 1859 · Public Domain Mortar. Such were used by those who could not…
Mortar. Such were used by those who could not afford handmills. (Calmet)
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Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset & David Brown 1871 · Public Domain The obstinate wickedness of such is incurable by the…
The obstinate wickedness of such is incurable by the heaviest inflictions.
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Daniel D. Whedon 1874 · Public Domain 22. Bray — Pound, beat.
22. Bray — Pound, beat.
Wheat — Any kind of grain, or anything pounded or bruised. “Barley, after being soaked in water, was [partially] dried in the sun, and then pounded in a mortar with a wooden pestle till the husk came off.” The sentiment of the proverb is: No punishment, however severe, can cure a fool of his folly. It might be thought improbable that any persons were ever punished by being pounded in a mortar: but sundry travellers, as Baron du Tott, Volney, and Knolles, testify that such a mode of punishment was in use among the Turks. Volney suggests that it came into vogue as a means of reaching those persons, the shedding of whose blood was not permitted by the letter of the law. “As for the guards of the towers,” says Knolles, “who had let Prince Koreskie (a prisoner) escape, some of them were impaled, and some were pounded or beaten to pieces in great mortars of iron, wherein they do usually pound their rice to reduce it to meal.” There are, however, no historic traces of this mode of punishment in Jewish history. The Septuagint knows nothing of “braying in a mortar;” but has instead, “Though thou scourge a fool, disgracing him in the midst of the council.”
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The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges 1878 · Public Domain 22. wheat] Rather, bruised corn. In the only other…
22. wheat] Rather, bruised corn. In the only other place in which it occurs (2Sa_17:19) the word is rendered ground corn, A.V., and bruised corn, R.V. See note there in this Series.
Pro_27:23-27. The praises of agriculture, or of pastoral life.
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It well repays the diligence bestowed upon it (Pro_27:23), and is more reliable in its nature than other kinds of wealth, and even than a kingly crown (Pro_27:24). No sooner is one crop carried than another begins to grow, and the harvest of the earth is sure (Pro_27:25). The flocks, ever increasing, supply clothing, and equal in value the land which supports them (Pro_27:26), while their produce will maintain in plenty their owner and his household (Pro_27:27).
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Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers 1878 · Public Domain (22) Though thou shouldest bray (i.e., pound) a fool…
(22) Though thou shouldest bray (i.e., pound) a fool (a self-willed, headstrong person) in a mortar among wheat with a pestle.—This would separate completely the husks from the wheat; but obstinacy has become a part of such a man’s nature, and cannot be got rid of even by such violent measures.
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The Pulpit Commentary 1880 · Public Domain Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar…
Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle. "To bray" is to pound or beat small. "Wheat," twOpyri, riphoth, (only in 2Sa_17:19) "bruised corn." Vulgate, In pila quasi ptisanas (barley groats) feriente; Aquila and Theodotion, En mesw emptissomenwn "In the midst of grains of corn being pounded." The LXX, reading, differently, has, "Though thou scourge a fool, disgracing him (en mesw sunedriou ) in the midst of the congregation." Of course, the process of separating the husks from the corn by the use of pestle and mortar is much more delicate and careful than threshing in the usual clumsy way; hence is expressed the idea that the most elaborate pains are wasted on the incorrigible fool. (see on Pro_1:20) His foolishness will not depart from him. An obstinate, self-willed, unprincipled man cannot be reformed by any means; his folly has become a second nature, and is not to be eliminated by any teaching, discipline, or severity. There is, too, a judicial blindness, when, after repeated warnings wilfully rejected and scorned, the sinner is left to himself, given over to a reprobate mind "Whoso teacheth a fool," Siracides pronounces, "is as one that glueth a potsherd together, and as he that waketh one from a sound sleep" (Ecc 22:7). Again, "The inner parts of a fool are like a broken vessel, and he will hold no knowledge as long as he liveth" (Ecc 21:14). In Turkey, we are told, great criminals were beaten to pieces in huge mortars of iron, in which they usually pounded rice. "You cannot straighten a dog"s tail, try as you may," says a Telugu maxim (Lane). There is a saying of Schiller"s which is quite proverbial, "Heaven and earth fight in vain against a dunce." Horace, "Epist.," 1:10, 24"Naturam expellas furca, tamen usque recurret.
Juvenal, "Sat.," 13:239"Tamen ad mores natura recurrit Damnatos, fixa et mutari nescia.
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Tyndale Open Study Notes 2022 · CC BY-SA 4.0 27:22 Foolishness is deeply ingrained in the character of…
27:22 Foolishness is deeply ingrained in the character of a fool.
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