Isaiah 48:10(v10)Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver. I have chosen you in the furnace of affliction.
Isaiah 43:1-2(v12)But now Yahweh who created you, Jacob, and he who formed you, Israel, says: “Don’t be afraid, for I have redeemed you. I have called you by…
Psalms 17:3(v10)You have proved my heart. You have visited me in the night. You have tried me, and found nothing. I have resolved that my mouth shall not…
1 Peter 1:6-7(v10)Wherein you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved in various trials, that the proof of your…
Proverbs 17:3(v10)The refining pot is for silver, and the furnace for gold, but Yahweh tests the hearts.
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Isaiah 51:23(v12)I will put it into the hand of those who afflict you, who have said to your soul, ‘Bow down, that we may walk over you;’ and you have laid…
James 5:11(v12)Behold, we call them blessed who endured. You have heard of the perseverance of Job, and have seen the Lord in the outcome, and how the…
Job 23:10(v10)But he knows the way that I take. When he has tried me, I will come out like gold.
Psalms 40:2-3(v12)He brought me up also out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay. He set my feet on a rock, and gave me a firm place to stand. He has put…
Lamentations 1:13(v11)“From on high has he sent fire into my bones, and it prevails against them. He has spread a net for my feet. He has turned me back. He has…
Zechariah 13:9(v10)I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will test them like gold is tested. They will…
Acts 14:22(v12)strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that through many afflictions we must enter into…
1 Thessalonians 3:3-4(v12)that no one would be moved by these afflictions. For you know that we are appointed to this task. For most certainly, when we were with…
Revelation 7:14-17(v12)I told him, “My lord, you know.” He said to me, “These are those who came out of the great suffering.They washed their robes, and made them…
Deuteronomy 8:2(v10)You shall remember all the way which Yahweh your God has led you these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble you, to test…
Deuteronomy 8:16(v10)who fed you in the wilderness with manna, which your fathers didn’t know, that he might humble you, and that he might prove you, to do you…
Deuteronomy 13:3(v10)you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or to that dreamer of dreams; for Yahweh your God is testing you, to know whether you…
Job 36:16(v12)Yes, he would have allured you out of distress, into a wide place, where there is no restriction. That which is set on your table would be…
Psalms 107:35-37(v12)He turns a desert into a pool of water, and a dry land into water springs. There he makes the hungry live, that they may prepare a city to…
Ezekiel 12:13(v11)I will also spread my net on him, and he will be taken in my snare. I will bring him to Babylon to the land of the Chaldeans; yet he will…
Job 19:6(v11)know now that God has subverted me, and has surrounded me with his net.
Psalms 33:19(v12)to deliver their soul from death, to keep them alive in famine.
Psalms 129:1-3(v12)Many times they have afflicted me from my youth up. Let Israel now say, many times they have afflicted me from my youth up, yet they have…
Isaiah 35:6-7(v12)Then the lame man will leap like a deer, and the tongue of the mute will sing; for waters will break out in the wilderness, and streams in…
Hosea 7:12(v11)When they go, I will spread my net on them. I will bring them down like the birds of the sky. I will chastise them, as their congregation…
Deuteronomy 33:11(v11)Yahweh, bless his skills. Accept the work of his hands. Strike through the hips of those who rise up against him, of those who hate him,…
Lamentations 3:2-66(v11)He has led me and caused me to walk in darkness, and not in light. Surely he turns his hand against me again and again all day long. He has…
Matthew 6:13(v11)Bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For yours is the Kingdom, the power, and the glory forever. Amen.’
Luke 16:25(v12)“But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that you, in your lifetime, received your good things, and Lazarus, in the same way, bad things. But here…
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John Calvin1540 · Public DomainOn v1010 For thou, O God! hast proved us We…
10 For thou, O God! hast proved us We may read, Though thou, O God! etc., and then the passage comes in as a qualification of what went before, and is brought forward by the Psalmist to enhance the goodness of God, who had delivered them from such severe calamities. But there is another object which I consider him to have in view, and this is the alleviation of the grief of God’s people, by setting before them the comfort suggested by the words which follow. When visited with affliction, it is of great importance that we should consider it as coming from God, and as expressly intended for our good. It is in reference to this that the Psalmist speaks of their having been proved and tried. At the same time, while he adverts to God’s trying his children with the view of purging away their sin, as dross is expelled from the silver by fire, he would intimate, also, that trial had been made of their patience. The figure implies that their probation had been severe; for silver is cast repeatedly into the furnace. They express themselves thankful to God, that, while proved with affliction, they had not been destroyed by it; but that their affliction was both varied and very severe, appears not only from the metaphor, but from the whole context, where they speak of having been cast into the net, being reduced to straits, men riding over their heads, and of being brought through shipwreck and conflagration. The expression, laying a restraint [or chain] upon their loins, is introduced as being stronger than the one which goes before. It was not a net of thread which had been thrown over them, but rather they had been bound down with hard and insolvable fetters. The expression which follows refers to men who had shamefully tyrannised over them, and ridden them down as cattle. By fire and water are evidently meant complicated afflictions; and it is intimated that God had exercised his people with every form of calamity. They are the two elements which contribute more than any other to sustain human life, but are equally powerful for the destruction of it. It is noticeable, that the Psalmist speaks of all the cruelties which they had most unjustly suffered from the hands of their enemies, as an infliction of Divine punishment; and would guard the Lord’s people against imagining that God was ignorant of what they had endured, or distracted by other things from giving attention to it. In their condition, as here described, we have that of the Church generally represented to us; and this, that when subjected to vicissitudes, and cast out of the fire into the water, by a succession of trials, there may at last be felt to be nothing new or strange in the event to strike us with alarm. The Hebrew word רויה, revayah, which I have rendered fruitful place, means literally a well-watered land. Here it is taken metaphorically for a condition of prosperity, the people of God being represented as brought into a pleasant and fertile place, where there is abundance of pasturage. The truth conveyed is, that God, although he visit his children with temporary chastisements of a severe description, will ultimately crown them with joy and prosperity. It is a mistake to suppose that the allusion is entirely to their being settled in the land of Canaan, for the psalm has not merely reference to the troubles which they underwent in the wilderness, but to the whole series of distresses to which they were subjected at the different periods of their history.
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Geneva Bible translators1599 · Public DomainOn v11The condition of the Church is here described, which…
The condition of the Church is here described, which is to be led by God’s providence into troubles to be subject under tyrants, and to enter into manifold dangers.
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John Trapp1656 · Public DomainOn vv10–12Psa 66:10 For thou, O God, hast proved us:…
Psa 66:10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried.
Ver. 10. For thou, O God, hast proved us] Non ut ipse sciat sed ut scire nos faciat, saith Austin. God proveth his people, not thereby to better his own knowledge of them, Joh 2:25; Joh 6:6; Joh 21:17; Act 1:24, but to bring them to a better knowledge of their own both vices and graces. It is not known what corn will yield till it come to the flail; nor what grapes, till they come to the press. Grace is hid in nature, as sweet water in rose leaves; the fire of affliction fetcheth it out.
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Thou hast tried us as silver] The wicked also are tried, Rev 3:10, but they prove reprobate silver, Jer 6:28; Jer 6:30, or, at best, as alchemy gold, that will not bear the seventh fire, as Job did, Job 23:10.
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Matthew Poole1685 · Public DomainOn vv10–12For, or yet, or nevertheless. Though thou hast hitherto…
For, or yet, or nevertheless. Though thou hast hitherto helped us, and now delivered us, yet for a season thou hast sorely afflicted us.
Tried us, as silver is tried, i.e. severely, as if it were in a burning furnace; and with a design to try our sincerity, and to purge out the dross, or the wicked, from among us.
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John Gill1763 · Public DomainOn vv10–12For thou, O God, hast proved us,.... And by…
For thou, O God, hast proved us,.... And by the experiment found them to be true and faithful; to have the truth of grace, and the root of the matter in them; not reprobate silver, or their grace counterfeit grace; but of the right kind, solid and substantial;
thou hast tried us as silver is tried; in a furnace, where it is put and melted by the refiner, and purified from the dross that attends it. So the Targum,
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"thou hast purified us as the silversmith purifieth the silver;''
or tries it by melting and purifying it. Thus the Lord puts his people into the furnace of afflictions, and sits as a refiner and purifier of them; hereby he tries their graces, faith, patience, hope, and love, their principles and their professions; refines their graces, and makes them more bright and illustrious; removes their dross and tin, and reforms their manners; and proves them to be good silver, and approves of them, and esteems them as such, even as his peculiar treasure. From whence it appears, as well as from the following verses, that afflictions are of God; that they are for the good of his people, and not their hurt; like silver they are put into the fire of affliction, not to be destroyed and lost, but to be purged and refined; and that they are not in wrath, but in love: and this, with what follows, may respect the sufferings of the saints under Rome, Pagan and Papal; when Christ's feet, the members of his mystical body, were like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; when their graces were tried, their works were known, and their persons proved and approved, Rev 1:15; see Zac 13:9.
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John Wesley1765 · Public DomainOn vv10–12Proved us - As it were in a burning…
Proved us - As it were in a burning furnace; and with a design to purge out our dross.
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Adam Clarke1810 · Public DomainOn vv10–12Verse 10. For thou, O God, hast proved us]…
Verse 10. For thou, O God, hast proved us] This is a metaphor taken from melting and refining metals; afflictions and trials of various kinds are represented as a furnace where ore is melted, and a crucible where it is refined. And this metaphor is used especially to represent cases where there is doubt concerning the purity of the metal, the quantity of alloy, or even the nature or kind of metal subjected to the trial. So God is said to try the Israelites that he might know what was in them; and whether they would keep his testimonies: and then, according to the issue, his conduct towards them would appear to be founded on reason and justice.
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Joseph Benson1811 · Public DomainOn vv10–11Psa 66:10. For thou, O God, &c. — Or,…
Psa 66:10. For thou, O God, &c. — Or, nevertheless. Though thou hast hitherto helped us: and now delivered us, yet for a season thou hast sorely afflicted us; hast tried us as silver is tried — That is, severely, as if it were in a burning furnace; and with a design to try our sincerity, and to purge the dross out of our hearts, and the wicked from among us. Observe, reader, we are proved by afflictions, as silver in the fire, 1st, That our graces, by being tried, may be made more evident, and so we may be approved as silver is when it is marked sterling, which will be to our praise at the appearing of Jesus Christ, 1Pe 1:7. And, 2d, That our graces, by being exercised, may be made more strong and active, and so may be improved, as silver is when it is refined by the fire, and made more clear from its dross; and this will be to our unspeakable advantage, for thus shall we be made partakers of God’s holiness, Heb 12:10. Then are we likely to get good by our afflictions when we look upon them in this light; for then we see that they proceed from God’s mercy and love, and are intended for our honour and benefit. Public troubles, we must observe, are for the purifying of the church.
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Albert Barnes1834 · Public DomainOn vv10–12For thou, O God, hast proved us - That…
For thou, O God, hast proved us - That is, Thou hast tried us; thou hast tested the reality of our attachment to thee, as silver is tried by the application of fire. God had proved or tried them by bringing calamity upon them to test the reality of their allegiance to him. The nature of the proof or trial is referred to in the following verses.
Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried - That is, by being subjected to appropriate tests to ascertain its real nature, and to remove from it imperfections. Compare the notes at 1Pe 1:7; notes at Isa 1:25; notes at Isa 48:10; see also Zec 13:9; Mal 3:3.
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Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset & David Brown1871 · Public DomainOn vv10–12Out of severe trials, God had brought them to…
Out of severe trials, God had brought them to safety (compare Isa 48:10; Pe1 1:7).
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Daniel D. Whedon1874 · Public DomainOn vv10–1210. As silver is tried—Such figures indicate that the…
10. As silver is tried—Such figures indicate that the art of refining the precious metals was known to the Hebrews. The history of the tabernacle in the wilderness shows them to have been advanced in the art of metallurgy, which they had learned of the Egyptians. See Psa_12:6; Exodus 25.In the peninsula of Mount Sinai are still found numerous excavations of ancient Egyptian mines of iron and copper, also turquois and manganese, with shafts, vast slag heaps, ruins of smelting furnaces, dwellings, temples and hieroglyphics, dating anterior to, and at the time of, the exodus. In their oppressed condition it is not improbable that many of the Israelites worked in these mines. Moses led the people within a few miles of a principal colony of miners, (in Serabit el Khadim,) then evidently in full operation, “having most probably a considerable military establishment to preserve discipline, as the miners were chiefly selected from criminals and prisoners of war.”—PALMER’S Desert of the Exodus.
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The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges1878 · Public DomainOn vv10–1210. proved us … tried us] Words used of…
10. proved us … tried us] Words used of testing precious metals, and smelting away the dross (Psa_17:3; Psa_26:2; Pro_17:3; Jer_9:7; Zec_13:9; Mal_3:2-3). God had declared His intention of smelting out the dross from His people by the Assyrian troubles (Isa_1:25).
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Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers1878 · Public DomainOn vv11–12(11) Net.—The Hebrew in Eze_12:13 certainly means “net,” as…
(11) Net.—The Hebrew in Eze_12:13 certainly means “net,” as LXX. and Vulg. here. But Aquila, Symmachus, and Jerome prefer the usual meaning, “stronghold” (2Sa_5:7, &c), which is more in keeping with the other images of violence and oppression. The fortress, the hard labour, the subjection as by foes riding over the vanquished, the passage through fire and water, all raise a picture of the direst tyranny.
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The Pulpit Commentary1880 · Public DomainOn vv10–12For thou, O God, hast proved us. The calamity…
For thou, O God, hast proved us. The calamity bad been sent as a trial, to prove and purify. (comp. Psa_7:9 Psa_11:5) Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried. (comp. Psa_12:6 Pro_17:3 Pro_25:4 Isa_1:22, 25 48:10 Zec_13:9 Mal_3:3) Silver, according to ancient methods, required a prolonged process of refining before it could be pronounced pure. The calamity under which Israel had suffered had been of long duration.
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Charles H. Spurgeon1885 · Public DomainOn vv10–12Ver. 10. For thou, O God, hast proved us.…
Ver. 10. For thou, O God, hast proved us. He proved his Israel with sore trials. David had his temptations. All the saints must go to the proving house; God had one Son without sin, but he never had a son without trial. Why ought we to complain if we are subjected to the rule which is common to all the family, and from which so much benefit has flowed to them? The Lord himself proves us, who then shall raise a question as to the wisdom and the love which are displayed in the operation? The day may come when, as in this case, we shall make hymns out of our griefs, and sing all the more sweetly because our mouths have been purified with bitter draughts.
Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried. Searching and repeated, severe and thorough, has been the test; the same result has followed us as in the case of precious metal, for the dross and tin have been consumed, and the pure ore has been discovered. Since trial is sanctified to so desirable an end, ought we not to submit to it with abounding resignation.
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Ver. 10. Thou, O God, hast proved us. It is not known what corn will yield, till it come to the flail; nor what grapes, till they come to the press. Grace is hid in nature, as sweet water in rose leaves; the fire of affliction fetcheth it out. --Thou hast tried us as silver. The wicked also are tried (Re 3:10), but they prove reprobate silver (Jer 6:28), or at best, as alchemy gold, that will not bear the seventh fire, as Job did (Job 23:10). John Trapp.
Ver. 10. As silver is tried. Convinced from the frequent use of this illustration, that there was something more than usually instructive in the process of assaying and purifying silver, I have collected some few facts upon the subject. The hackneyed story of the refiner seeing his image in the molten silver while in the fire, has so charmed most of us, that we have not looked further; yet, with more careful study, much could be brought out. To assay silver requires great personal care in the operator. "The principle of assaying gold and silver is very simple theoretically, but in practice great experience is necessary to insure accuracy; and there is no branch of business which demands more personal and undivided attention. The result is liable to the influence of so many contingencies, that no assayer who regards his reputation will delegate the principal process to one not equally skilled with himself. Besides the result ascertainable by weight, there are allowances and compensations to be made, which are known only to an experienced assayer, and if these were disregarded, as might be the case with the mere novice, the report would be wide from the truth." (Encyclopaedia Britannica.) Pagnini's version reads: "Thou hast melted us by blowing upon us, "and in the monuments of Egypt, artificers are seen with the blowpipe operating with small fire places, with cheeks to confine and reflect the heat; the worker evidently paying personal attention, which is evident also in Mal 3:3, "He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver." To assay silver requires a skilfully constructed furnace. The description of this furnace would only weary the reader, but it is evidently a work of art in itself. Even the trial of our faith is much more precious than that of gold which perisheth. He has refined us, but not with silver, he would not trust us there, the furnace of affliction is far more skilfully arranged than that. To assay silver the heat must be nicely regulated. "During the operation, the assayer's attention should be directed to the heat of the furnace, which must be neither too hot nor too cold: if too hot, minute portions of silver will be carried off with the lead, and so vitiate the assay; moreover, the pores of the cupel being more open, greater absorption will ensue, and there is liability to loss from that cause. One indication of an excess of heat in the furnace, is the rapid and perpendicular rising of the fumes to the ceiling of the muffle, the mode of checking and controlling which has been pointed out in the description of the improved furnace. When the fumes are observed to fall to the bottom of the muffle, the furnace is then too cold; and if left unaltered, it will be found that the cupellation has been imperfectly performed, and the silver will not have entirely freed itself from the base metals. (Encyclopaedia Britannica.) The assayer repeats his trying process. Usually two or more trials of the same piece are made, so that great accuracy may be secured. Seven times silver is said to be purified, and the saints through varied trials reach the promised rest." C. H. S.
Ver. 10. The assaying of the saints.
Ver. 10.
I. The design of the afflictions.
1. To prove them.
2. To reprove them. II. The illustration of that design. As silver, etc. III. The issue of the trial.
Psalms 66:11*
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The Biblical Illustrator1887 · Public DomainOn vv10, 12For Thou, O God, hast proved us; Thou hast…
Psa_66:10
For Thou, O God, hast proved us; Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried.
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The souls purification by suffering
A most natural question--one asked by tried hearts in every age since the world began--is, Why, if there be a God, a merciful God, does He permit all these repeated and accumulated sufferings to afflict us? What are the Divine uses and purposes of sorrow? For we are compelled to admit that, if there be no ultimate design in and issue from sorrow, there is a fearful waste of tears and agony in the world. Some men have asked the question and received no satisfactory reply, and consequently have hastily and foolishly concluded, There is no God; there can be no God, or this could not have been. Even those who do believe in the existence of a merciful God, who do believe that He has the ordering and governance of all our lives, are yet confronted by the great mystery of suffering. They want an explanation; they want to know how it can all be reconciled with the existence and oversight of a merciful God. Thoughts like these are very old to most of us. How are they to be met? Well, I candidly confess that as yet the reason why God permits so much suffering in the world is wrapt in the same darkness as still surrounds that other mysterious question--Why has God permitted sin to enter into the world? There is no light; no effort of thought or imagination, no wide-reaching speculations have been able to solve the problem. But our text suggests several important thoughts.
I. The place of God in our trials--they may be sent by God. I say, may be sent, and thereby I mean to imply that all trials are not the effect of the immediate interposition of God. There are evils and sorrows which befall men which none would dare to say are of Gods sending, because it is evident that they are the fruit of wrong-doing. For instance, if a man has been extravagant and reckless, and has thus reduced himself to poverty, it would be a libel upon God if he were to declare that God had made him poor, since he only reaps the harvest of his own folly. There can, however, be no doubt, if we are to accept the testimony of Scripture, and to believe in the Fatherly providence of God, we must believe that He permits and sends affliction. We cannot, we dare not, forget that God has to do with us every day, and we cannot take any comfort in the cold conception that we have stern, unbending laws to deal with, and not the tender, compassionate heart of a loving Father. The human heart craves a personal and present God Then, further, if we can see Gods hand in our troubles, does it not make our troubles easier to bear?
II. The testing character of lifes trials. Men in their ordinary connections are constantly applying tests to prove the character and the ability of those with whom they have to do; seeking to discover whether there is weakness or strength, falsehood or truth. Creditors test their debtors, masters test their servants, parents test their children, and friends often prove by ingenious stratagems the faithfulness of friends. So the world, by persecutions, and flatteries, and snares, is always testing the Christian Church; demonstrating to its own superficial satisfaction the honesty or hollowness of the profession its members make. Every man having the courage to avow himself on the side of Christ is immediately put on trial by Iris relations and his neigh-bouts, who will entangle him in positions of temptation, simply to ascertain what his Christianity is worth. Little is taken on trust in this world, and we are never entirely content with any object or any pretension until it has undergone some fierce heat of trouble. Adversity is the great test. A cobweb is as good as the mightiest chain cable when there is no strain upon it. It is trial that proves one thing weak and another strong. This is true of our spiritual life, our professed faith.
III. The purifying power of lifes trials. The words, Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried, would express the thought here intended more clearly if read, Thou hast purified us, as silver is purified. (W. Braden.)
Tested for hardships
When Scoresby was selecting his men to accompany him in Arctic explorations, he needed sailors that could stand the severest exposure, and had nerve to bear the worst trials. So every man who applied to accompany the expedition was made to stand barefooted on a great block of ice while the surgeon examined his body and Scoresby inquired into his past history. Scores were rejected at once, as they had not nerve to endure the test. The men who stood the trial made up a band of brave heroes. So sometimes God tries us when He has in store for us some great undertaking. Many faint and excuse themselves from the start; some endure, and make the heroes and leaders of the Church,
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unfoldingWord translationNotes2017 · CC BY-SA 4.0On v10You brought us into a net
You brought us into a net
The writer speaks of God's punishment as if God had captured his people in a net. (See: Metaphor)
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a net
a trap for a bird or an animal
you laid a heavy burden on our backs
The writer speaks of what the people have endured as having to carry heavy loads on their backs. (See: Metaphor)
You made people ride over our heads
This is a picture of being horribly defeated in battle. AT: "It is as if our enemies defeated us in battle and then drove their chariots over our fallen bodies" (See: Metaphor)
went through fire and water
God tested them with natural disasters like fires and floods. AT: "we suffered like people who suffer from fires and floods" (See: Metaphor and Merism)
spacious place
The writer speaks of the blessings that the people of Israel now have as if they had been brought into a wide open space where they are safe. AT: "open place where we are safe" (See: Metaphor)
John Calvin 1540 · Public Domain On v10 10 For thou, O God! hast proved us We…
10 For thou, O God! hast proved us We may read, Though thou, O God! etc., and then the passage comes in as a qualification of what went before, and is brought forward by the Psalmist to enhance the goodness of God, who had delivered them from such severe calamities. But there is another object which I consider him to have in view, and this is the alleviation of the grief of God’s people, by setting before them the comfort suggested by the words which follow. When visited with affliction, it is of great importance that we should consider it as coming from God, and as expressly intended for our good. It is in reference to this that the Psalmist speaks of their having been proved and tried. At the same time, while he adverts to God’s trying his children with the view of purging away their sin, as dross is expelled from the silver by fire, he would intimate, also, that trial had been made of their patience. The figure implies that their probation had been severe; for silver is cast repeatedly into the furnace. They express themselves thankful to God, that, while proved with affliction, they had not been destroyed by it; but that their affliction was both varied and very severe, appears not only from the metaphor, but from the whole context, where they speak of having been cast into the net, being reduced to straits, men riding over their heads, and of being brought through shipwreck and conflagration. The expression, laying a restraint [or chain] upon their loins, is introduced as being stronger than the one which goes before. It was not a net of thread which had been thrown over them, but rather they had been bound down with hard and insolvable fetters. The expression which follows refers to men who had shamefully tyrannised over them, and ridden them down as cattle. By fire and water are evidently meant complicated afflictions; and it is intimated that God had exercised his people with every form of calamity. They are the two elements which contribute more than any other to sustain human life, but are equally powerful for the destruction of it. It is noticeable, that the Psalmist speaks of all the cruelties which they had most unjustly suffered from the hands of their enemies, as an infliction of Divine punishment; and would guard the Lord’s people against imagining that God was ignorant of what they had endured, or distracted by other things from giving attention to it. In their condition, as here described, we have that of the Church generally represented to us; and this, that when subjected to vicissitudes, and cast out of the fire into the water, by a succession of trials, there may at last be felt to be nothing new or strange in the event to strike us with alarm. The Hebrew word רויה, revayah, which I have rendered fruitful place, means literally a well-watered land. Here it is taken metaphorically for a condition of prosperity, the people of God being represented as brought into a pleasant and fertile place, where there is abundance of pasturage. The truth conveyed is, that God, although he visit his children with temporary chastisements of a severe description, will ultimately crown them with joy and prosperity. It is a mistake to suppose that the allusion is entirely to their being settled in the land of Canaan, for the psalm has not merely reference to the troubles which they underwent in the wilderness, but to the whole series of distresses to which they were subjected at the different periods of their history.
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Geneva Bible translators 1599 · Public Domain On v11 The condition of the Church is here described, which…
The condition of the Church is here described, which is to be led by God’s providence into troubles to be subject under tyrants, and to enter into manifold dangers.
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John Trapp 1656 · Public Domain On vv10–12 Psa 66:10 For thou, O God, hast proved us:…
Psa 66:10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried.
Ver. 10. For thou, O God, hast proved us] Non ut ipse sciat sed ut scire nos faciat, saith Austin. God proveth his people, not thereby to better his own knowledge of them, Joh 2:25; Joh 6:6; Joh 21:17; Act 1:24, but to bring them to a better knowledge of their own both vices and graces. It is not known what corn will yield till it come to the flail; nor what grapes, till they come to the press. Grace is hid in nature, as sweet water in rose leaves; the fire of affliction fetcheth it out.
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Thou hast tried us as silver] The wicked also are tried, Rev 3:10, but they prove reprobate silver, Jer 6:28; Jer 6:30, or, at best, as alchemy gold, that will not bear the seventh fire, as Job did, Job 23:10.
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Matthew Poole 1685 · Public Domain On vv10–12 For, or yet, or nevertheless. Though thou hast hitherto…
For, or yet, or nevertheless. Though thou hast hitherto helped us, and now delivered us, yet for a season thou hast sorely afflicted us.
Tried us, as silver is tried, i.e. severely, as if it were in a burning furnace; and with a design to try our sincerity, and to purge out the dross, or the wicked, from among us.
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John Gill 1763 · Public Domain On vv10–12 For thou, O God, hast proved us,.... And by…
For thou, O God, hast proved us,.... And by the experiment found them to be true and faithful; to have the truth of grace, and the root of the matter in them; not reprobate silver, or their grace counterfeit grace; but of the right kind, solid and substantial;
thou hast tried us as silver is tried; in a furnace, where it is put and melted by the refiner, and purified from the dross that attends it. So the Targum,
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"thou hast purified us as the silversmith purifieth the silver;''
or tries it by melting and purifying it. Thus the Lord puts his people into the furnace of afflictions, and sits as a refiner and purifier of them; hereby he tries their graces, faith, patience, hope, and love, their principles and their professions; refines their graces, and makes them more bright and illustrious; removes their dross and tin, and reforms their manners; and proves them to be good silver, and approves of them, and esteems them as such, even as his peculiar treasure. From whence it appears, as well as from the following verses, that afflictions are of God; that they are for the good of his people, and not their hurt; like silver they are put into the fire of affliction, not to be destroyed and lost, but to be purged and refined; and that they are not in wrath, but in love: and this, with what follows, may respect the sufferings of the saints under Rome, Pagan and Papal; when Christ's feet, the members of his mystical body, were like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; when their graces were tried, their works were known, and their persons proved and approved, Rev 1:15; see Zac 13:9.
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John Wesley 1765 · Public Domain On vv10–12 Proved us - As it were in a burning…
Proved us - As it were in a burning furnace; and with a design to purge out our dross.
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Adam Clarke 1810 · Public Domain On vv10–12 Verse 10. For thou, O God, hast proved us]…
Verse 10. For thou, O God, hast proved us] This is a metaphor taken from melting and refining metals; afflictions and trials of various kinds are represented as a furnace where ore is melted, and a crucible where it is refined. And this metaphor is used especially to represent cases where there is doubt concerning the purity of the metal, the quantity of alloy, or even the nature or kind of metal subjected to the trial. So God is said to try the Israelites that he might know what was in them; and whether they would keep his testimonies: and then, according to the issue, his conduct towards them would appear to be founded on reason and justice.
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Joseph Benson 1811 · Public Domain On vv10–11 Psa 66:10. For thou, O God, &c. — Or,…
Psa 66:10. For thou, O God, &c. — Or, nevertheless. Though thou hast hitherto helped us: and now delivered us, yet for a season thou hast sorely afflicted us; hast tried us as silver is tried — That is, severely, as if it were in a burning furnace; and with a design to try our sincerity, and to purge the dross out of our hearts, and the wicked from among us. Observe, reader, we are proved by afflictions, as silver in the fire, 1st, That our graces, by being tried, may be made more evident, and so we may be approved as silver is when it is marked sterling, which will be to our praise at the appearing of Jesus Christ, 1Pe 1:7. And, 2d, That our graces, by being exercised, may be made more strong and active, and so may be improved, as silver is when it is refined by the fire, and made more clear from its dross; and this will be to our unspeakable advantage, for thus shall we be made partakers of God’s holiness, Heb 12:10. Then are we likely to get good by our afflictions when we look upon them in this light; for then we see that they proceed from God’s mercy and love, and are intended for our honour and benefit. Public troubles, we must observe, are for the purifying of the church.
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Albert Barnes 1834 · Public Domain On vv10–12 For thou, O God, hast proved us - That…
For thou, O God, hast proved us - That is, Thou hast tried us; thou hast tested the reality of our attachment to thee, as silver is tried by the application of fire. God had proved or tried them by bringing calamity upon them to test the reality of their allegiance to him. The nature of the proof or trial is referred to in the following verses.
Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried - That is, by being subjected to appropriate tests to ascertain its real nature, and to remove from it imperfections. Compare the notes at 1Pe 1:7; notes at Isa 1:25; notes at Isa 48:10; see also Zec 13:9; Mal 3:3.
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Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset & David Brown 1871 · Public Domain On vv10–12 Out of severe trials, God had brought them to…
Out of severe trials, God had brought them to safety (compare Isa 48:10; Pe1 1:7).
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Daniel D. Whedon 1874 · Public Domain On vv10–12 10. As silver is tried—Such figures indicate that the…
10. As silver is tried—Such figures indicate that the art of refining the precious metals was known to the Hebrews. The history of the tabernacle in the wilderness shows them to have been advanced in the art of metallurgy, which they had learned of the Egyptians. See Psa_12:6; Exodus 25.In the peninsula of Mount Sinai are still found numerous excavations of ancient Egyptian mines of iron and copper, also turquois and manganese, with shafts, vast slag heaps, ruins of smelting furnaces, dwellings, temples and hieroglyphics, dating anterior to, and at the time of, the exodus. In their oppressed condition it is not improbable that many of the Israelites worked in these mines. Moses led the people within a few miles of a principal colony of miners, (in Serabit el Khadim,) then evidently in full operation, “having most probably a considerable military establishment to preserve discipline, as the miners were chiefly selected from criminals and prisoners of war.”—PALMER’S Desert of the Exodus.
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The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges 1878 · Public Domain On vv10–12 10. proved us … tried us] Words used of…
10. proved us … tried us] Words used of testing precious metals, and smelting away the dross (Psa_17:3; Psa_26:2; Pro_17:3; Jer_9:7; Zec_13:9; Mal_3:2-3). God had declared His intention of smelting out the dross from His people by the Assyrian troubles (Isa_1:25).
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Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers 1878 · Public Domain On vv11–12 (11) Net.—The Hebrew in Eze_12:13 certainly means “net,” as…
(11) Net.—The Hebrew in Eze_12:13 certainly means “net,” as LXX. and Vulg. here. But Aquila, Symmachus, and Jerome prefer the usual meaning, “stronghold” (2Sa_5:7, &c), which is more in keeping with the other images of violence and oppression. The fortress, the hard labour, the subjection as by foes riding over the vanquished, the passage through fire and water, all raise a picture of the direst tyranny.
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The Pulpit Commentary 1880 · Public Domain On vv10–12 For thou, O God, hast proved us. The calamity…
For thou, O God, hast proved us. The calamity bad been sent as a trial, to prove and purify. (comp. Psa_7:9 Psa_11:5) Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried. (comp. Psa_12:6 Pro_17:3 Pro_25:4 Isa_1:22, 25 48:10 Zec_13:9 Mal_3:3) Silver, according to ancient methods, required a prolonged process of refining before it could be pronounced pure. The calamity under which Israel had suffered had been of long duration.
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Charles H. Spurgeon 1885 · Public Domain On vv10–12 Ver. 10. For thou, O God, hast proved us.…
Ver. 10. For thou, O God, hast proved us. He proved his Israel with sore trials. David had his temptations. All the saints must go to the proving house; God had one Son without sin, but he never had a son without trial. Why ought we to complain if we are subjected to the rule which is common to all the family, and from which so much benefit has flowed to them? The Lord himself proves us, who then shall raise a question as to the wisdom and the love which are displayed in the operation? The day may come when, as in this case, we shall make hymns out of our griefs, and sing all the more sweetly because our mouths have been purified with bitter draughts.
Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried. Searching and repeated, severe and thorough, has been the test; the same result has followed us as in the case of precious metal, for the dross and tin have been consumed, and the pure ore has been discovered. Since trial is sanctified to so desirable an end, ought we not to submit to it with abounding resignation.
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Ver. 10. Thou, O God, hast proved us. It is not known what corn will yield, till it come to the flail; nor what grapes, till they come to the press. Grace is hid in nature, as sweet water in rose leaves; the fire of affliction fetcheth it out. --Thou hast tried us as silver. The wicked also are tried (Re 3:10), but they prove reprobate silver (Jer 6:28), or at best, as alchemy gold, that will not bear the seventh fire, as Job did (Job 23:10). John Trapp.
Ver. 10. As silver is tried. Convinced from the frequent use of this illustration, that there was something more than usually instructive in the process of assaying and purifying silver, I have collected some few facts upon the subject. The hackneyed story of the refiner seeing his image in the molten silver while in the fire, has so charmed most of us, that we have not looked further; yet, with more careful study, much could be brought out. To assay silver requires great personal care in the operator. "The principle of assaying gold and silver is very simple theoretically, but in practice great experience is necessary to insure accuracy; and there is no branch of business which demands more personal and undivided attention. The result is liable to the influence of so many contingencies, that no assayer who regards his reputation will delegate the principal process to one not equally skilled with himself. Besides the result ascertainable by weight, there are allowances and compensations to be made, which are known only to an experienced assayer, and if these were disregarded, as might be the case with the mere novice, the report would be wide from the truth." (Encyclopaedia Britannica.) Pagnini's version reads: "Thou hast melted us by blowing upon us, "and in the monuments of Egypt, artificers are seen with the blowpipe operating with small fire places, with cheeks to confine and reflect the heat; the worker evidently paying personal attention, which is evident also in Mal 3:3, "He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver." To assay silver requires a skilfully constructed furnace. The description of this furnace would only weary the reader, but it is evidently a work of art in itself. Even the trial of our faith is much more precious than that of gold which perisheth. He has refined us, but not with silver, he would not trust us there, the furnace of affliction is far more skilfully arranged than that. To assay silver the heat must be nicely regulated. "During the operation, the assayer's attention should be directed to the heat of the furnace, which must be neither too hot nor too cold: if too hot, minute portions of silver will be carried off with the lead, and so vitiate the assay; moreover, the pores of the cupel being more open, greater absorption will ensue, and there is liability to loss from that cause. One indication of an excess of heat in the furnace, is the rapid and perpendicular rising of the fumes to the ceiling of the muffle, the mode of checking and controlling which has been pointed out in the description of the improved furnace. When the fumes are observed to fall to the bottom of the muffle, the furnace is then too cold; and if left unaltered, it will be found that the cupellation has been imperfectly performed, and the silver will not have entirely freed itself from the base metals. (Encyclopaedia Britannica.) The assayer repeats his trying process. Usually two or more trials of the same piece are made, so that great accuracy may be secured. Seven times silver is said to be purified, and the saints through varied trials reach the promised rest." C. H. S.
Ver. 10. The assaying of the saints.
Ver. 10.
I. The design of the afflictions.
1. To prove them.
2. To reprove them. II. The illustration of that design. As silver, etc. III. The issue of the trial.
Psalms 66:11*
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The Biblical Illustrator 1887 · Public Domain On vv10, 12 For Thou, O God, hast proved us; Thou hast…
Psa_66:10
For Thou, O God, hast proved us; Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried.
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The souls purification by suffering
A most natural question--one asked by tried hearts in every age since the world began--is, Why, if there be a God, a merciful God, does He permit all these repeated and accumulated sufferings to afflict us? What are the Divine uses and purposes of sorrow? For we are compelled to admit that, if there be no ultimate design in and issue from sorrow, there is a fearful waste of tears and agony in the world. Some men have asked the question and received no satisfactory reply, and consequently have hastily and foolishly concluded, There is no God; there can be no God, or this could not have been. Even those who do believe in the existence of a merciful God, who do believe that He has the ordering and governance of all our lives, are yet confronted by the great mystery of suffering. They want an explanation; they want to know how it can all be reconciled with the existence and oversight of a merciful God. Thoughts like these are very old to most of us. How are they to be met? Well, I candidly confess that as yet the reason why God permits so much suffering in the world is wrapt in the same darkness as still surrounds that other mysterious question--Why has God permitted sin to enter into the world? There is no light; no effort of thought or imagination, no wide-reaching speculations have been able to solve the problem. But our text suggests several important thoughts.
I. The place of God in our trials--they may be sent by God. I say, may be sent, and thereby I mean to imply that all trials are not the effect of the immediate interposition of God. There are evils and sorrows which befall men which none would dare to say are of Gods sending, because it is evident that they are the fruit of wrong-doing. For instance, if a man has been extravagant and reckless, and has thus reduced himself to poverty, it would be a libel upon God if he were to declare that God had made him poor, since he only reaps the harvest of his own folly. There can, however, be no doubt, if we are to accept the testimony of Scripture, and to believe in the Fatherly providence of God, we must believe that He permits and sends affliction. We cannot, we dare not, forget that God has to do with us every day, and we cannot take any comfort in the cold conception that we have stern, unbending laws to deal with, and not the tender, compassionate heart of a loving Father. The human heart craves a personal and present God Then, further, if we can see Gods hand in our troubles, does it not make our troubles easier to bear?
II. The testing character of lifes trials. Men in their ordinary connections are constantly applying tests to prove the character and the ability of those with whom they have to do; seeking to discover whether there is weakness or strength, falsehood or truth. Creditors test their debtors, masters test their servants, parents test their children, and friends often prove by ingenious stratagems the faithfulness of friends. So the world, by persecutions, and flatteries, and snares, is always testing the Christian Church; demonstrating to its own superficial satisfaction the honesty or hollowness of the profession its members make. Every man having the courage to avow himself on the side of Christ is immediately put on trial by Iris relations and his neigh-bouts, who will entangle him in positions of temptation, simply to ascertain what his Christianity is worth. Little is taken on trust in this world, and we are never entirely content with any object or any pretension until it has undergone some fierce heat of trouble. Adversity is the great test. A cobweb is as good as the mightiest chain cable when there is no strain upon it. It is trial that proves one thing weak and another strong. This is true of our spiritual life, our professed faith.
III. The purifying power of lifes trials. The words, Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried, would express the thought here intended more clearly if read, Thou hast purified us, as silver is purified. (W. Braden.)
Tested for hardships
When Scoresby was selecting his men to accompany him in Arctic explorations, he needed sailors that could stand the severest exposure, and had nerve to bear the worst trials. So every man who applied to accompany the expedition was made to stand barefooted on a great block of ice while the surgeon examined his body and Scoresby inquired into his past history. Scores were rejected at once, as they had not nerve to endure the test. The men who stood the trial made up a band of brave heroes. So sometimes God tries us when He has in store for us some great undertaking. Many faint and excuse themselves from the start; some endure, and make the heroes and leaders of the Church,
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unfoldingWord translationNotes 2017 · CC BY-SA 4.0 On v10 You brought us into a net
You brought us into a net
The writer speaks of God's punishment as if God had captured his people in a net. (See: Metaphor)
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a net
a trap for a bird or an animal
you laid a heavy burden on our backs
The writer speaks of what the people have endured as having to carry heavy loads on their backs. (See: Metaphor)
You made people ride over our heads
This is a picture of being horribly defeated in battle. AT: "It is as if our enemies defeated us in battle and then drove their chariots over our fallen bodies" (See: Metaphor)
went through fire and water
God tested them with natural disasters like fires and floods. AT: "we suffered like people who suffer from fires and floods" (See: Metaphor and Merism)
spacious place
The writer speaks of the blessings that the people of Israel now have as if they had been brought into a wide open space where they are safe. AT: "open place where we are safe" (See: Metaphor)
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Tyndale Open Study Notes 2022 · CC BY-SA 4.0 On vv10–12 66:10 You have tested us, O God: As the…
66:10 You have tested us, O God: As the silversmith heats silver to remove the dross, God’s discipline removes sin from his people (see 12:6).
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