“Come,” they say, “let’s destroy them as a nation, that the name of Israel may be remembered no more.”
For they have conspired together with one mind. They form an alliance against you.
The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites; Moab, and the Hagrites;
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“Come,” they say, “let’s destroy them as a nation, that the name of Israel may be remembered no more.”
For they have conspired together with one mind. They form an alliance against you.
The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites; Moab, and the Hagrites;
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They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
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(83-5) They have said: 'Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.'
(83-6) For they have consulted together with one consent; against Thee do they make a covenant;
(83-7) The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites; Moab, and the Hagrites;
Cross-references (28)
- Psalms 2:2 (v5) The kings of the earth take a stand, and the rulers take counsel together, against Yahweh, and against his Anointed, saying,
- Jeremiah 11:19 (v4) But I was like a gentle lamb that is led to the slaughter. I didn’t know that they had devised plans against me, saying, “Let’s destroy the…
- Jeremiah 48:2 (v4) The praise of Moab is no more. In Heshbon they have devised evil against her: ‘Come! Let’s cut her off from being a nation.’ You also,…
- Psalms 74:8 (v4) They said in their heart, “We will crush them completely.” They have burned up all the places in the land where God was worshiped.
- Esther 3:6-9 (v4) But he scorned the thought of laying hands on Mordecai alone, for they had made known to him Mordecai’s people. Therefore Haman sought to…
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- Exodus 1:10 (v4) Come, let’s deal wisely with them, lest they multiply, and it happen that when any war breaks out, they also join themselves to our enemies…
- Daniel 7:25 (v4) He will speak words against the Most High, and will wear out the saints of the Most High. He will plan to change the times and the law; and…
- Acts 9:1-2 (v4) But Saul, still breathing threats and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked for letters from him…
- 1 Chronicles 5:10 (v6) In the days of Saul, they made war with the Hagrites, who fell by their hand; and they lived in their tents throughout all the land east of…
- Revelation 17:13 (v5) These have one mind, and they give their power and authority to the beast.
- 2 Chronicles 20:1 (v6) After this, the children of Moab, the children of Ammon, and with them some of the Ammonites, came against Jehoshaphat to battle.
- 2 Chronicles 20:10-11 (v6) Now, behold, the children of Ammon and Moab and Mount Seir, whom you would not let Israel invade when they came out of the land of Egypt,…
- Psalms 137:7 (v6) Remember, Yahweh, against the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem, who said, “Raze it! Raze it even to its foundation!”
- Proverbs 1:12 (v4) Let’s swallow them up alive like Sheol, and whole, like those who go down into the pit.
- Isaiah 8:9-10 (v5) Make an uproar, you peoples, and be broken in pieces! Listen, all you from far countries: dress for battle, and be shattered! Dress for…
- Jeremiah 31:36 (v4) “If these ordinances depart from before me,” says Yahweh, “then the offspring of Israel also will cease from being a nation before me…
- Matthew 27:62-66 (v4) Now on the next day, which was the day after the Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees were gathered together to Pilate,…
- Revelation 19:19 (v5) I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him who sat on the horse, and against…
- Genesis 25:12-18 (v6) Now this is the history of the generations of Ishmael, Abraham’s son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah’s servant, bore to Abraham. These are…
- Joshua 10:3-5 (v5) Therefore Adoni-Zedek king of Jerusalem sent to Hoham king of Hebron, Piram king of Jarmuth, Japhia king of Lachish, and Debir king of…
- 2 Samuel 10:6-8 (v5) When the children of Ammon saw that they had become odious to David, the children of Ammon sent and hired the Syrians of Beth Rehob, and…
- 1 Chronicles 5:19-20 (v6) They made war with the Hagrites, with Jetur, and Naphish, and Nodab. They were helped against them, and the Hagrites were delivered into…
- Proverbs 21:30 (v5) There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against Yahweh.
- Isaiah 7:2 (v5) David’s house was told, “Syria is allied with Ephraim.” His heart trembled, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the forest tremble…
- Isaiah 7:5-7 (v5) Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have plotted evil against you, saying, “Let’s go up against Judah, and tear it apart, and…
- John 11:47-53 (v5) The chief priests therefore and the Pharisees gathered a council, and said, “What are we doing? For this man does many signs. If we leave…
- Acts 4:17 (v4) But so that this spreads no further among the people, let’s threaten them, that from now on they don’t speak to anyone in this name.”
- Acts 23:12-13 (v5) When it was day, some of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink until…
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John Calvin 1540 · Public Domain On vv4–5 4 They have said, Come and let us cut…
4 They have said, Come and let us cut them off from being a nation. The wickedness of these hostile powers is aggravated from the circumstance, that it was their determined purpose utterly to exterminate the Church. This may be restricted to the Ammonites and Moabites, who were as bellows to blow up the flame in the rest. But the Hagarenes, the Syrians, and the other nations, being by their instigation affected with no less hatred and fury against the people of God, for whose destruction they had taken up arms, we may justly consider this vaunting language as uttered by the whole of the combined host; for having entered into a mutual compact they rushed forward with rival eagerness, and encouraged one another to destroy the kingdom of Judah. The prime agent in exciting such cruel hatred was doubtless Satan, who has all along from the beginning been exerting himself to extinguish the Church of God, and who, for this purpose, has never ceased to stir up his own children to outrage. The phrase, to cut them off from being a nation, signifies to exterminate them root and branch, and thus to put an end to them as a nation or people. That this is the meaning is more clearly evinced from the second clause of the verse, Let the name of Israel be no more remembered The compassion of God would in no small degree be excited by the circumstance that this war was not undertaken, as wars commonly have been, to bring them, when conquered, under the power of their enemies; but the object which the cruelty of their enemies aimed at was their entire destruction. And what did this amount to but to an attempt to overthrow the decree of God on which the perpetual duration of the Church depends.
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Geneva Bible translators 1599 · Public Domain On vv4–5 They were not content to take the Church as…
They were not content to take the Church as prisoner: but sought utterly to destroy it.
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John Trapp 1656 · Public Domain On vv4–6 Psa 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us…
Psa 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from [being] a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
Ver. 4. They have said, Come, &c.] The wicked have their Come, Pro 1:11, as well as the saints, Isa 2:3; Isa 2:5 Zec 8:21, but for a worse purpose.
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Let us cut them off] "Them," by way of contempt, as not worth naming, they were so base. The devil and his imps would utterly root out the Church; but that cannot be, Jer 31:36 Mat 16:18.
That the name of Israel, &c.] But Israel hath still a name, when Moab, Ammon, Edom, &c., live but by fame only. See Jer 48:2.
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Matthew Poole 1685 · Public Domain On vv4–6 Whereby they showed both their implacable rage and malice,…
Whereby they showed both their implacable rage and malice, and their great assurance of success.
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John Gill 1763 · Public Domain On vv4–6 They have said,.... Secretly in their hearts, or openly…
They have said,.... Secretly in their hearts, or openly to one another, and gave it out in the most public manner, as what they had consulted and determined upon; see Psa 74:8,
come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; they were not content to invade their country, take their cities, plunder them of their substance, and carry them captives, but utterly to destroy them, root and branch; so that they might be no more a body politic, under rule and government, in their own land, nor have so much as a name and place in others; this was Haman's scheme, Est 3:8.
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that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance; but this desperate and dreadful scheme, and wretched design of theirs, took not effect; but, on the contrary, the several nations hereafter mentioned, who were in this conspiracy, are no more, and have not had a name in the world for many hundreds of years; while the Jews are still a people, and are preserved, in order to be called and saved, as all Israel will be in the latter day, Rom 11:25. So Dioclesian thought to have rooted the Christian name out of the world; but in vain: the name of Christ, the name of Christianity, the name of a Christian church, will endure to the end of the world; see Psa 72:17. Compare with this Jer 11:19.
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John Wesley 1765 · Public Domain On v6 The tabernacles - The people dwelling in them. Ishmaelites…
The tabernacles - The people dwelling in them. Ishmaelites - Some of the posterity of Ishmael, called by their father's name, as others of them are supposed to be called Hagarens from their grandmother Hagar.
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Adam Clarke 1810 · Public Domain On vv4–6 Verse 4. Let us cut them off] Let us…
Verse 4. Let us cut them off] Let us exterminate the whole race, that there may not be a record of them on the face of the earth. And their scheme was well laid: eight or ten different nations united themselves in a firm bond to do this; and they had kept their purpose so secret that the king of Judah does not appear to have heard of it till his territories were actually invaded, and the different bodies of this coalition had assembled at En-gedi. Never was Judah before in greater danger.
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Joseph Benson 1811 · Public Domain On v6 Psa 83:6-8. The tabernacles of Edom — Called the…
Psa 83:6-8. The tabernacles of Edom — Called the children of Seir, 2 Chronicles 20. He says the tabernacles of Edom, from the custom of these Arabians to live in tents all the year long; encamping sometimes in one place and sometimes in another, as they found convenience for themselves and their cattle, a custom retained by their descendants even to this day. And the Ishmaelites — Some of the posterity of Ishmael, called by their father’s name, as others of them are supposed by many to be called Hagarenes, from their grandmother Hagar. Gebal — The Giblites, or Gebalites, dwelling near Zidon, of whom see Eze 27:9. “Gebal was once a place of renown: the country of the Giblites is mentioned as left by Joshua to be conquered after his death, Jos 13:5. And the people of this place were of service to Hiram, king of Tyre, in preparing materials for Solomon’s temple, 1Ki 5:18. At present this city has lost all its ancient grandeur, which appears to have been considerable by the remaining ruins of it. But it still retains its name, with very little alteration, which is Gibyle. It is situated upon the Mediterranean sea, between Tripoli and Sidon.” Assur also is joined with them — In their counsels, and possibly also with some of their forces, though not so openly and powerfully as afterward. They have holpen the children of Lot — Moab and Ammon, who were the principal parties in that war, (2 Chronicles 20.,) called here the children of Lot, to intimate their great degeneracy from the example of their pious progenitors.
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Albert Barnes 1834 · Public Domain On vv4–6 They have said, Come, and let us cut them…
They have said, Come, and let us cut them off ... - Let us utterly destroy them, and root them out from among the nations. Let us combine against them, and overpower them; let us divide their land among ourselves, attaching it to our own. The nations referred to Psa 83:6-8 were those which surrounded the land of Israel; and the proposal seems to have been to partition the land of the Hebrews among themselves, as has been done in modern times in regard to Poland. On what principles, and in what proportions, they proposed thus to divide the land is not intimated, nor is it said that the project had gone so far that they had agreed on the terms of such a division. The formation of such a purpose, however, was in itself by no means improbable. The Hebrew people were offensive to all the surrounding nations by their religion, their prosperity, and the constant rebuke of tyranny and idolatry by their religious and their social institutions. There had been enough, also, in their past history - in the remembrance of the successful wars of the Hebrews with those very nations - to keep up a constant irritation on their part. We are not to be surprised, therefore, that there was a deeply-cherished desire to blot out the name and the nation altogether.
That the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance - That the nation as such may be utterly extinct and forgotten; that the former triumphs of that nation over us may be avenged; that we may no longer have in our very midst this painful memorial of the existence of one God, and of the demands of his law; that we may pursue our own plans without the silent or the open admonition derived from a religion so pure and holy. For the same reason the world has often endeavored to destroy the church; to cause it to be extinct; to blot out its name; to make the very names Christ and Christian forgotten among mankind. Hence, the fiery persecutions under the Roman government in the time of the Emperors; and hence, in every age, and in every land, the church has been exposed to persecution - originated with a purpose to destroy it as long as there was any hope of accomplishing that end. That purpose has been abandoned by Satan and his friends only because the result has shown that the persecution of the church served but to spread its principles and doctrines, and to fix it more firmly in the affections and confidence of mankind, so that the tendency of persecution is rather to overthrow the persecutor than the persecuted. Whether it can be destroyed by prosperity and corruption - by science - by error - seems now to be the great problem before the mind of Satan.
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Daniel D. Whedon 1874 · Public Domain On vv4–6 4. Let us cut them off from being a…
4. Let us cut them off from being a nation—This shows that it was not an incursion for plunder merely, but a deep political scheme, based on the old hatred indulged against the Hebrews by the idolatrous nations, and on the tributary relation to them which many of the nations had held since the days of David. Jehoshaphat also had directly committed himself to a war with Syria by the affair of Ramoth-gilead, 1 Kings 22.
Israel—The title here seems to apply to the whole Hebrew family. In this counsel for the extinction of Israel, (Psa_83:5,) Asshur, that is, Assyria, (Psa_83:8,) was joined. Moab seems to have been the chief instigator, for which the judgments of God were afterward revisited upon that people. See Jer_48:2
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The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges 1878 · Public Domain On vv4–6 4. from being a nation] Their aim is to…
4. from being a nation] Their aim is to obliterate the name of Israel from the map of the world. For the phrase cp. Jer_48:2; and see Psa_74:8; 1Ma_5:2. that the name &c.] More accurately, and so the name of Israel shall be remembered no more.
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Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers 1878 · Public Domain On vv4–6 (4) For this attack against, not only the independence,…
(4) For this attack against, not only the independence, but even the continued existence of Israel as a nation, compare Est_3:6; Est_3:9; Jer_11:19; Jer_31:36; Jer_48:2; Isa_7:8.
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The Pulpit Commentary 1880 · Public Domain On vv4–5 They have said, Come, and let us cut them…
They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation. This was the general object of Israel"s enemies at all times, (2Ki_24:2 2Ch_20:11 Psa_138:7 RAPC 1Ma 3:35 5:2) and thus does not help much towards determining the date of the occasion here spoken of. That the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. (comp. Exo_17:14 Deu_32:26 Psa_34:16 Psa_109:13)
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Charles H. Spurgeon 1885 · Public Domain On vv4–6 Ver. 4. They have said, Come, and let us…
Ver. 4. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation. Easier said than done. Yet it shows how thorough going are the foes of the church. Theirs was the policy of extermination. They laid the axe at the root of the matter. Rome has always loved this method of warfare, and hence she has gloated over the massacre of Bartholomew, and the murders of the Inquisition.
That the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. They would blot them out of history as well as out of existence. Evil is intolerant of good. If Israel would let Edom alone yet Edom cannot be quiet, but seeks like its ancestor to kill the chosen of the Lord. Men would be glad to cast the church out of the world because it rebukes them, and is thus a standing menace to their sinful peace.
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Ver. 4. That the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. This desperate and dreadful scheme, and wretched design of theirs, took not effect; but, on the contrary, the several nations hereafter mentioned, who were in this conspiracy, are no more, and have not had a name in the world for many hundreds of years; whilst the Jews are still a people and are preserved, in order to be called and saved, as all Israel will be in the latter day, Ro 11:25. So Diocletian thought to have rooted the Christian name out of the world; but in vain. John Gill.
Ver. 4. The immortality of the church.
Psalms 83:5*
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unfoldingWord translationNotes 2017 · CC BY-SA 4.0 On v6 General Information:
General Information:
The writer continues to list the people groups who want to destroy Israel.
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the tents of Edom
This refers to the people of Edom who lived in tents. (See: Metonymy)
Hagrites
This is the name of a people group that lived on the east side of the Jordan River. (See: How to Translate Names)
Gebal, Ammon, Amalek ... Philistia
These all represent the people of each area or tribe. AT: "the people of Gebal, the Ammonites, the Amalekites ... the Philistines" (See: Metonymy)
Gebal
This is the name of a region south of the Dead Sea. (See: How to Translate Names)
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Edom
Ishmael
Moab
Ammon
Amalek
Philistines
Tyre
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Tyndale Open Study Notes 2022 · CC BY-SA 4.0 On vv5–6 83:5-8 signed a treaty: The allies agreed to fight…
83:5-8 signed a treaty: The allies agreed to fight against God and his people. The nations that are named in the alliance were situated around Israel and Judah.
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