Contradictions

Did Jesus ask God to save him from crucifixion?

The tension

In the Synoptic Gethsemane scene (Matt 26:36-42, Mark 14:35-36, Luke 22:41-42) Jesus prays explicitly that the cup of suffering pass from him — 'let this cup pass from me,' 'take away this cup from me,' 'remove this cup from me.' The Johannine Jesus in John 12:27 raises the same possibility only to dismiss it instantly: 'shall I say, Father, save me from this hour? but for this cause came I unto this hour.' One Jesus actively prays for escape; the other rules the prayer out as a non-starter.

Proposed answers

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Yes

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Examining the tension

What follows is one scholar’s way of reading this disagreement — a critical-historical view that often concludes the texts genuinely disagree. It draws on the peer-reviewed sources listed below and stands as one position among the answers above, presented for transparency, not as GEBible’s position.

How critical scholarship weighs this: Leans toward a genuine contradiction

This summarizes where critical scholarship tends to land on this tension — a report on the field’s center of gravity, not GEBible’s own ruling.

The Gethsemane prayer is among the most revealing divergences between the Synoptic and Johannine portraits of Jesus, and the divergence is not incidental — it is structural to each Gospel's Christology. The Synoptic Jesus enters Gethsemane in genuine, escalating dread. Mark 14:33 deploys the strongest distress vocabulary in the whole Gospel: *ekthambeisthai* (to be utterly astonished, struck with horror) paired with *adēmonein* (to be in anguish), and v. 34 has Jesus declare his soul 'sorrowful unto death' (*perilypos … heōs thanatou*), language echoing Psalm 42:5-6. He falls to the ground and prays that 'the hour might pass from him' (Mark 14:35), then voices the cup-petition directly: 'Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me' (14:36). Matthew 26:39 conditions the request — 'if it be possible' — and Luke 22:42 'if thou be willing,' but in all three the prayer for deliverance is sincerely offered before the submission clause caps it. Luke heightens the agony further with the angel and the sweat 'as great drops of blood' (22:43-44), though those two verses are text-critically insecure: they are absent from P75, Sinaiticus' original hand, Vaticanus, and A, marked with obeli in other witnesses, and NA28 brackets them as a probable later expansion (see Ehrman and Plunkett's argument that they were added to counter docetism). Whatever their pedigree, they confirm the trajectory of the Synoptic tradition: a Jesus whose humanity recoils from the cross.

John has no Gethsemane scene whatsoever. The entire 'troubled soul' moment is compressed into John 12:27, set not in a garden on the night of arrest but in public during the final week: 'Now is my soul troubled (*tetaraktai*); and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.' The petition for deliverance is raised only to be discarded in the same breath. Raymond Brown's *Death of the Messiah* offers the definitive analysis: John has deliberately reworked the agony tradition because Johannine Christology cannot tolerate a Jesus who genuinely seeks escape. The Fourth Gospel's Jesus lays down his life of his own authority — 'no man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself' (John 10:18) — and in the arrest scene he, not his captors, controls events. C. H. Dodd traced the way John transmuted the inherited agony material into a moment of sovereign resolve; Bultmann and Käsemann read the omission as theological editing, Käsemann famously arguing that John's Jesus 'strides over the earth as a god.'

The strongest harmonizing case, defended by Carson and Köstenberger, treats John 12:27 and Gethsemane as two distinct, both-historical episodes: an earlier moment of inner conflict that Jesus resolved days before, and a later garden prayer in which he wrestled afresh. As narrative reconstruction this is not impossible — the Gospels are demonstrably selective, and John omits much the Synoptics include. But it founders on the emotional and theological *content*, not merely the chronology. The Synoptic Gethsemane Jesus genuinely entertains the petition — 'if it be possible, let this cup pass' is a live request held open until submission overrides it. The Johannine Jesus poses 'shall I say, Father, save me?' as a rhetorical non-starter, answered before it is finished: 'but for this cause came I unto this hour.' One Jesus asks and waits; the other refuses to ask. These are not two stages of a single psychology resolving over time; they are two different Christological postures toward the passion. Ehrman in *How Jesus Became God* uses precisely this contrast as a model of the Synoptic-to-Johannine developmental arc: as Christology climbs, the marks of human frailty are progressively effaced. The choice is between two prayer-events with incompatible emotional logic or one tradition reshaped by Johannine theology — and the latter is the more economical reading.

Where the critical reading lands: genuine contradiction reflecting divergent Christologies.

Sources for this reading

  • Raymond E. Brown, The Death of the Messiah, vol. 1 (ABRL; Doubleday, 1994) pp. 146-234 on Gethsemane vs. John 12:27 John 12:27
  • C. H. Dodd, The Interpretation of the Fourth Gospel (Cambridge University Press, 1953) pp. 369-379 on the Johannine reworking of the agony tradition
  • Rudolf Bultmann, The Gospel of John: A Commentary, trans. G. R. Beasley-Murray et al. (Westminster, 1971) pp. 425-431 on John 12:27 John 12:27
  • Ernst Käsemann, The Testament of Jesus: A Study of the Gospel of John in the Light of Chapter 17, trans. Gerhard Krodel (Fortress, 1968) pp. 4-12 on the sovereign Johannine Christology
  • Bart D. Ehrman, How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee (HarperOne, 2014) pp. 254-269 on the Synoptic-to-John trajectory
  • Joel Marcus, Mark 8-16: A New Translation with Introduction and Commentary (AYB 27A; Yale University Press, 2009) pp. 977-998 on Mark 14:33-36 Mark 14:33-36
  • W. D. Davies and Dale C. Allison, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Gospel According to Saint Matthew, Vol. 3 (ICC; T&T Clark, 1997) pp. 489-501 on Matthew 26:36-42 Matthew 26:36-42
  • Bart D. Ehrman and Mark A. Plunkett, "The Angel and the Agony: The Textual Problem of Luke 22:43-44," Catholic Biblical Quarterly 45 (1983) pp. 401-416 on the secondary status of Luke 22:43-44 Luke 22:43-44
  • Andreas J. Köstenberger, John (BECNT; Baker Academic, 2004) pp. 381-385 on John 12:27 and the two-events reading John 12:27
  • D. A. Carson, The Gospel According to John (PNTC; Eerdmans, 1991) pp. 440-443 on John 12:27 and the two-events reading John 12:27