For what thanksgiving can we render again to God for you, for all the joy with which we rejoice for your sakes before our God,
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Passages linked to 1 Thessalonians 3:9 in the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge, ordered by reader-vote popularity; verse text shown in World English Bible.
- Psalms 96:12-13 Let the field and all that is in it exult! Then all the trees of the woods shall sing for joy before Yahweh; for he comes, for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world with righteousness, the peoples with his truth.
- 2 Corinthians 9:15 Now thanks be to God for his unspeakable gift!
- Psalms 71:14-15 But I will always hope, and will add to all of your praise. My mouth will tell about your righteousness, and of your salvation all day, though I don’t know its full measure.
- 1 Thessalonians 1:2-3 We always give thanks to God for all of you, mentioning you in our prayers, remembering without ceasing your work of faith and labor of love and perseverance of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, before our God and Father.
- 2 Samuel 7:18-20 Then David the king went in, and sat before Yahweh; and he said, “Who am I, Lord Yahweh, and what is my house, that you have brought me this far? This was yet a small thing in your eyes, Lord Yahweh; but you have spoken also of your servant’s house for a great while to come; and this among men, Lord Yahweh! What more can David say to you? For you know your servant, Lord Yahweh.
- 1 Thessalonians 3:7-8 for this cause, brothers, we were comforted over you in all our distress and affliction through your faith. For now we live, if you stand fast in the Lord.
- Deuteronomy 12:2 You shall surely destroy all the places in which the nations that you shall dispossess served their gods: on the high mountains, and on the hills, and under every green tree.
- Deuteronomy 12:18 but you shall eat them before Yahweh your God in the place which Yahweh your God shall choose: you, your son, your daughter, your male servant, your female servant, and the Levite who is within your gates. You shall rejoice before Yahweh your God in all that you put your hand to.
- Deuteronomy 16:11 You shall rejoice before Yahweh your God: you, your son, your daughter, your male servant, your female servant, the Levite who is within your gates, the foreigner, the fatherless, and the widow who are among you, in the place which Yahweh your God shall choose to cause his name to dwell there.
- 2 Samuel 6:21 David said to Michal, “It was before Yahweh, who chose me above your father, and above all his house, to appoint me prince over the people of Yahweh, over Israel. Therefore I will celebrate before Yahweh.
- Nehemiah 9:5 Then the Levites, Jeshua, and Kadmiel, Bani, Hashabneiah, Sherebiah, Hodiah, Shebaniah, and Pethahiah, said, “Stand up and bless Yahweh your God from everlasting to everlasting! Blessed be your glorious name, which is exalted above all blessing and praise!
- Psalms 98:8-9 Let the rivers clap their hands. Let the mountains sing for joy together. Let them sing before Yahweh, for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world with righteousness, and the peoples with equity.
- 1 Thessalonians 2:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Isn’t it even you, before our Lord Jesus at his coming?
- Psalms 68:3 But let the righteous be glad. Let them rejoice before God. Yes, let them rejoice with gladness.
- 2 Corinthians 2:14 Now thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumph in Christ, and reveals through us the sweet aroma of his knowledge in every place.
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John Calvin 1540 · Public Domain 9 For what thanksgiving. Not satisfied with a simple…
9 For what thanksgiving. Not satisfied with a simple affirmation, he intimates how extraordinary is the greatness of his joy, by asking himself what thanks he can render to God; for by speaking thus he declares that he cannot find an expression of gratitude that can come up to the measure of his joy. He says that he rejoices before God, that is, truly and without any pretense.
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John Trapp 1656 · Public Domain 9 For what thanks can we render to God…
9 For what thanks can we render to God again for you, for all the joy wherewith we joy for your sakes before our God;
Ver. 9. For what thanks, &c.] q.d. No sufficient thanks. Spiritual joy vents itself by an infinite desire of praising God, whereby it seeks to fill up the distance between God and the good soul. In our thanksgivings let there be modus sine modo, as Bernard hath it. Let us still deliberate what more to do, as David, Psa 116:12.
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This is another effect of the message Timothy brought, it caused in the apostle great thanksgivings to God. First he rejoiced in their faith, and then gives thanks to God for that joy. The matter of his rejoicing was their faith, but the author and upholder of this faith was God; and in giving thanks to God for his joy, he gives thanks also to God for their faith from whence it sprang. The joy that ministers have in their people’s faith should break forth into thanksgivings. And the apostle’s thanks to God was beyond what he could return or express, as appears by the form of his speech:
For what thanks can we render? &c.; as Psa 116:12; What shall I render unto the Lord? said David. And his rejoicing before God implies both the nature of it, it was divine and spiritual, and his respect to God therein, as David danced before the Lord with all his might, 2Sa 6:14; i.e. with a respect to God’s goodness then declared Or the apostle might mean his joy was inward, before God, rather than before men.
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John Gill 1763 · Public Domain For what thanks can we render to God again…
For what thanks can we render to God again or you,.... They had given thanks to God for them before, for their faith, love, and patience; see Th1 1:2 and now having received a further account of them, they looked upon themselves bound to give fresh thanks to God for them, for the increase of their faith and love, and for their perseverance, as they did; see Th2 1:3 since these are gifts of God's grace; but they knew not where to begin, what to render, and when to end: the phrase is much like that in Psa 116:12 "what shall I render unto the Lord", &c.
for all the joy wherewith we joy for your sakes before our God: the joy they had was all joy, perfect and complete in its kind; see Jam 1:2 and it was not for themselves, on their own account, because of any worldly interest or advantage they had therein, but for the sake of these Thessalonians, whose spiritual welfare they rejoiced at: nor was their joy of a carnal nature, but spiritual; it was a joy in the Holy Ghost, and which was hearty and sincere: it was "before God our" God, their covenant God and Father; it was in his sight and presence, who sees and knows all things, all actions, and the principles of them. Though this last clause, "before our God", is in the Syriac version, placed at the beginning of the next verse, according to which, it refers, not to thanks or joy before God, but to prayer before him.
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Verse 9. What thanks can we render to God] The high satisfaction and uncommon joy which the apostle felt are strongly depicted in the language he uses. How near his heart did the success of his ministry lie! It was not enough for him that he preached so often, laboured so hard, suffered so much; what were all these if souls were not converted? And what were all conversions, if those who embraced the Gospel did not walk steadily in the way to heaven, and persevere?
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Joseph Benson 1811 · Public Domain 1Th 3:9-13. What thanks can we render to God…
1Th 3:9-13. What thanks can we render to God — That is, what sufficient thanks; for you — On account of your perseverance; for all the joy —
That I have thereby such unfeigned cause of rejoicing; so that the apostle’s joy respecting the Thessalonians, arose first from their conversion, and next, from their steady adherence to the faith and profession of the gospel amidst great temptation and persecution; before, or, in the presence of, our God — As εμπροσθεν του Θεου ημων properly signifies. Joy in the presence of God is not a carnal or worldly but a spiritual joy, such as God approves. Night and day praying exceedingly — That is, with great earnestness and importunity: that God would permit us to see your face — Once more in the flesh; and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith — Thus it appears St. Paul did not suppose that they who are once upon the rock no longer need to be taught by man! Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ — Here we have a plain instance of prayer being addressed to Christ as well as to the Father, and even in the same words, and at the same time. A similar instance occurs 2Th 2:16-17. And doubtless these petitions are addressed to him because he is God, for unless he be present everywhere, how can he hear the prayers which are everywhere put up to him by his disciples? Direct — Clear, or make straight; our way unto you — Namely, by removing those obstructions which at present remain. This prayer is founded on the supposition that the common events on which the apostle’s prosperous journey to the Thessalonians depended, were under the direction of God. The apostle, it appears, was heard in his prayer; for, as we are told (Act 20:2) that he gave the brethren in Macedonia much exhortation, we have reason to believe he did not pass by the Thessalonians, whom he was so desirous to visit. And the Lord make you to increase and abound — Πλεονασαι και περισσευσα, to abound and overflow; in love — The Lord Jesus seems to be here addressed, because all spiritual blessings which are originally from the Father come to us immediately through and from Christ, to whom belongs the office of bestowing every blessing, whether of nature, of providence, or of grace, upon his followers. The apostle’s example in praying thus fervently and importunately for his converts, well deserves to be imitated by all ministers of the gospel. And toward all men, as we toward you — Chandler’s remark on this passage is worthy of particular attention: “The apostle loved the Thessalonians as a father loves his children, and as a mother the infant at her breast, 1Th 2:7. This his great love to them made him solicitous for their perseverance and salvation, so as to be willing to be persecuted, and to live in continual straits, (1Th 3:7,) and to lose his life, (1Th 2:8,) if it could have contributed to their perseverance in the faith, and to their eternal happiness. Generous apostle! how like the Master he served! Well therefore might he propose his own love to them as a pattern of their love to one another and to all. What an excellent religion is the Christian, which enjoins such a universal benevolence, even toward enemies and persecutors, and which roots out of the mind every tendency to anger, envy, malice, and revenge.” To the end — That by means of your love, which is the root of all piety and virtue; he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness — May make you steadfast in the experience of all Christian graces, and in the practice of all godliness and righteousness; and this before God, even our Father — Whose eyes are always upon you. These are high expressions when applied to fallen creatures, but what cannot the grace of God in Christ effect? Ye shall be perfect, says the Lord Jesus to his disciples, as, or because, your Father in heaven is perfect. And St. Paul informs us, that apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers, are appointed for the work of the ministry, in order to the perfecting of the saints, till they all come unto the full measure of Christ’s stature, Eph 4:11-13; and accordingly that they made it the great end of their preaching to present every man perfect in Christ Jesus, Col 1:28. At the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints — That you may be found such at the day of final judgment.
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Albert Barnes 1834 · Public Domain For what thanks can we render to God again…
For what thanks can we render to God again - That is, what expression of thanksgiving can we render to God that shall be an equivalent for the joy which your holy walk has furnished, or which will suitably express our gratitude for it.
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Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset & David Brown 1871 · Public Domain For what thanks--what sufficient thanks?
For what thanks--what sufficient thanks?
render . . . again--in return for His goodness (Psa 116:12).
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for you--"concerning you."
for all the joy--on account of all the joy. It was "comfort," Th1 3:7, now it is more, namely, joy.
for your sakes--on your account.
before our God--It is a joy which will bear God's searching eye: a joy as in the presence of God, not self-seeking, but disinterested, sincere, and spiritual (compare Th1 2:20; Joh 15:11).
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Daniel D. Whedon 1874 · Public Domain 9. Thanks… render—Our apostle now first describes his thanks,…
9. Thanks… render—Our apostle now first describes his thanks, his joy, his nightly and daily prayers over the news from Thessalonica; and, then, breaks forth into one of those same prayers in their behalf.
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The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges 1878 · Public Domain 9. For what thanks can we render to God…
9. For what thanks can we render to God again for you] “Again” belongs to the verb “render;” and “thanks” is strictly “thanksgiving.” So we may translate, more freely: what due return of thanksgiving can we make to God? The Apostle puts this question in proof of the strong declaration he has made in 1Th_3:8. He says: “The news that Timothy brings from you is new life to me, so much so that I can find no words sufficient to express my gratitude to God for the abounding joy which now fills my heart in thinking of you.”
The same verb, to render due return (one word in Greek), is employed in a very different connection in 2Th_1:6.
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for all the joy wherewith we joy for your sakes] More exactly, because of you, or on your account. Observe the emphasis of delight with which the Apostle dwells on “you;” he repeats the pronoun eight times in the last four verses.
before our God] comp. 1Th_3:13, and ch. 1Th_1:3. God was the witness of this exceeding joy, which strove in vain to find expression in fit words of praise.
The condition of alarm and depression which St Paul had previously experienced made this rebound of joy the more vivid. Only those who have suffered much know joy in its full capacity, “as dying, and behold we live! as sorrowing, but ever rejoicing” (2Co_6:9-10).
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Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers 1878 · Public Domain (9) For what thanks can we render.—An apology for…
(9) For what thanks can we render.—An apology for the enthusiastic expressions used in the three foregoing verses. “I may call it a gospel, a balm for all anxieties, a new life, for what mode of thanksgiving could be deemed extravagant in such a case of joy?”
Before our God.—As in 1Th_1:3, the occasion on which the joy and thankfulness bursts out is “in prayer;” perhaps, in connection with thanksgiving, especially at the great Eucharistic Thanksgiving (1Co_14:16), when he “stood before the Lord in a special manner (Act_13:2; comp. Lev_1:3; Lev_1:11; Lev_3:1, et al).
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The Pulpit Commentary 1880 · Public Domain For; assigning the reason of the declaration, "now we…
For; assigning the reason of the declaration, "now we live." What thanks can we render to God again for you. As their steadfastness in the faith was owing to God"s grace, thanks was to be rendered to God on their behalf. For all the joy; joy in all its fullness. (Jam_1:2, "Count it all joy Wherewith we joy for your sakes before our God. Giving prominence to the purity of their joy. Joy in the spiritual welfare of others.
We rejoice in the temporal prosperity of our friends; much more ought we to rejoice in their spiritual prosperity. "Now we live," says the apostle, "if ye stand fast in the Lord." And similarly the Apostle John says, "I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in the truth." We must imitate the angels in heaven, who rejoice at the repentance of a sinner. We must imbibe the spirit of the Lord Jesus himself, who is represented as rejoicing when he had found the sheep that was lost. We should rejoice
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(1) because souls are rescued from hell and Satan;
(2) because Christ is glorified in the salvation of men;
(3) because new members are born into the family of God;
(4) because boundless happiness is secured.
Vers. 9, 10.
The apostle"s gratitude to God and his further solicitude for his converts.
I HIS GRATITUDE FOR THE JOY IMPARTED BY TIMOTHY"S TIDINGS. "For what thanks can we render to God again for you, for all the joy wherewith we joy for your sakes before our God?
1. He has no words to express his gratitude to God for their constancy.
2. The joy he experienced was not in the greed of any worldly advantage he had gained, but was the hearty and sincere joy of one profoundly interested in their spiritual welfare.
3. It was joy "before God," who sees and knows all inward thoughts and feelings, and therefore knows its reality and power.
II HIS PRAYERFUL ANXIETY TO SEE THE THESSALONIANS FOR THEIR FURTHER BENEFIT. "Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith." His prayers had an extraordinary fervency. Ministers ought to be much in prayer for their flocks.
1. The deficiencies in their faith. They had already received the grace of faith and the doctrine of faith, and exhibited in its fullness the "work of faith." But there were deficiencies still to be supplied.
(1) Their faith wanted still greater power, for they had hardly yet escaped all danger of relapse into heathen impurities.
(2) It wanted to be more widely diffused through all the duties of life, for they needed to mind honest industry and forswear idleness.
(3) They needed fuller light upon the second advent.
2. The design of the ministry is to supply these deficiencies of faith. The apostle longed to be at Thessalonica once more, not only to impart to them "some spiritual gift, to the end they might be established", (Rom_1:10, Rom_1:11) but to give them fuller teaching upon the various points where their faith needed enlargement. It is God"s work to increase faith, but ministers can promote it as instruments, for they are "for the perfecting of the saints in the knowledge of the Son of God. T.C.
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9–13. What thanks can we render? How can we be thankful enough?
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9. Paul’s gratitude to God on the reception of Timothy’s cheering report knows no bounds.
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For what thanksgiving can we render again unto God for you, for all the joy wherewith we joy for your sakes before our God . [Paul felt that he could not be thankful enough for the joy which the faith of the Thessalonians gave him; not a joy arising from worldly or personal pride in them, but a joy so pure and holy that it could be displayed before the searching eye of God];
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Paul E. Kretzmann 1924 · Public Domain The apostle prays for their further establishment in faith…
The apostle prays for their further establishment in faith and love:
v. 9. for what thanks can we render to God again for you, for all the joy wherewith we joy for your sakes before our God,
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v. 10. night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?
v. 11. Now God Himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.
v. 12. And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another and toward all men, even as we do toward you,
v. 13. to the end he may establish your hearts unblamable in holiness before God, even our father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.
Paul here rises to an enthusiasm bordering on ecstasy. The high satisfaction and peculiar joy which he felt are strongly shown in the language which he uses: What sufficient thanks can I render to God, in return, concerning you for all the joy with which we rejoice on your account before our God, night and day praying most fervently that we may see your face, and might perfect the deficiencies of your faith? The apostle has received definite information of the stability of the Thessalonians in faith. This wonderful condition he attributes entirely to God, whose power has been manifested through the Gospel. He is anxious to make some return of appropriate thanksgiving to the Lord of grace; he is casting about for ways and means which would adequately express the gratitude which is overflowing from his heart. His reason for thanksgiving he has in the joy which is now striving for utterance, in his exultant rejoicing on their account. Without ceasing, night and day, his fervent supplications are rising to the Throne of Grace that God would grant him the boon of seeing his pupils at Thessalonica face to face. For that would give him an opportunity of perfecting any deficiencies which their faith still had, it would give him the chance to rectify certain matters of belief and practice. The Thessalonians were still in need of instruction, of exhortation, of intercession; for no Christians attain to complete perfection in this life. The fundamental outlines of the truth were in their possession, but it was necessary to fill out these outlines, to supply the details, to make them perfectly fitted to every good word and work.
The prayer of the apostle now rises to still greater heights of fervor: But God Himself and our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ direct our way to you; you, however, may the Lord cause to increase and to excel in love toward one another and toward all, just as we stand toward you, in order that He may establish your hearts irreproachable in holiness before God and our Father at the coming (the royal visit) of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints. Amen. The first petition of the apostle concerns himself, namely, that God would so arrange it, would so guide and direct matters, that it would be possible for him to visit Thessalonica as soon as possible, Note that his prayer is directed to both God the Father and to the Lord Jesus Christ, these two persons of the Godhead being equal in deity. Mark also that every prayer is heard by God through Jesus Christ, by whom we have access to the Father, in whom the Father gives all His gifts to His children on earth. Should there be any delay in his coming, however, or, no matter what would happen, he has another petition, namely, that the Lord, the Giver of all good gifts, would cause the Thessalonian Christians to become filled with, to increase in, love, and thus to excel, to superabound in love toward one another, in the midst of their own congregation and toward all men. In this respect Paul was their example and model, in the love which he bore them. The result of this work of the Lord would be that the hearts of all the believers in the congregation would be established as being without reproach in holiness. This includes the whole life in and from the Spirit. The purity and the soundness of a Christian’s holiness is based upon the disinterestedness of his love toward his fellow-Christians and toward all men. Thus would the Thessalonian Christians be prepared to stand before God the Father on the great day when our Lord Jesus Christ will pay His promised royal visit to the earth in visible form, accompanied by all His holy angels and the saints from heaven, Heb 12:22-23; Luk 20:26. Mark: The apostle never fails to call attention to the end and aim of the Christian life, the perfection of heaven, the reward of grace to those that remain steadfast in faith and love, in holiness of life, to the end.
Summary
The apostle gives further proof of his love for the Thessalonians in that he had sent Timothy to strengthen them, whose excellent report concerning their firmness had comforted him greatly; he includes a prayer for their further establishment in faith and love unto the end.
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