Then Amaziah king of Judah consulted his advisers, and sent to Joash, the son of Jehoahaz the son of Jehu, king of Israel, saying, “Come! Let’s look one another in the face.”
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Then Amaziah king of Judah consulted his advisers, and sent to Joash, the son of Jehoahaz the son of Jehu, king of Israel, saying, “Come! Let’s look one another in the face.”
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Then Amaziah king of Judah took advice, and sent to Joash, the son of Jehoahaz, the son of Jehu, king of Israel, saying, Come, let us see one another in the face.
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Then Amaziah king of Judah took advice, and sent to Joash, the son of Jehoahaz the son of Jehu, king of Israel, saying: 'Come, let us look one another in the face.'
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- 2 Kings 14:8-14 Then Amaziah sent messengers to Jehoash, the son of Jehoahaz son of Jehu, king of Israel, saying, “Come, let’s look one another in the face.” Jehoash the king of Israel sent to Amaziah king of Judah, saying, “The thistle that was in Lebanon sent to the cedar that was in Lebanon, saying, ‘Give your daughter to my son as wife. Then a wild animal that was in Lebanon passed by, and trampled down the thistle. You have indeed struck Edom, and your heart has lifted you up. Enjoy the glory of it, and stay at home; for why should you meddle to your harm, that you fall, even you, and Judah with you?’ ” But Amaziah would not listen. So Jehoash king of Israel went up; and he and Amaziah king of Judah looked one another in the face at Beth Shemesh, which belongs to Judah. Judah was defeated by Israel; and each man fled to his tent. Jehoash king of Israel took Amaziah king of Judah, the son of Jehoash the son of Ahaziah, at Beth Shemesh, and came to Jerusalem, and broke down the wall of Jerusalem from the gate of Ephraim to the corner gate, four hundred cubits. He took all the gold and silver, and all the vessels that were found in Yahweh’s house and in the treasures of the king’s house, the hostages also, and returned to Samaria.
- 2 Samuel 2:14 Abner said to Joab, “Please let the young men arise and play before us!” Joab said, “Let them arise!”
- 2 Chronicles 25:13 But the men of the army whom Amaziah sent back, that they should not go with him to battle, fell on the cities of Judah, from Samaria even to Beth Horon, and struck of them three thousand, and took much plunder.
- Proverbs 20:3 It is an honor for a man to keep aloof from strife, but every fool will be quarreling.
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Geneva Bible translators 1599 · Public Domain That is, let us try the matter hand to…
That is, let us try the matter hand to hand: for he was offended, that the army of the Israelites, whom he had in wages, and dismissed by the counsel of the Prophet, had destroyed certain of the cities of Judah.
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John Trapp 1656 · Public Domain 2Ch 25:17 Then Amaziah king of Judah took advice,…
2Ch 25:17 Then Amaziah king of Judah took advice, and sent to Joash, the son of Jehoahaz, the son of Jehu, king of Israel, saying, Come, let us see one another in the face.
Ver. 17. Then Amaziah … took advice.] But wanted good counsellors, or else he was too much wedded to his own will: as was Xerxes about his expedition against Greece, to his own ruin.
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Matthew Poole 1685 · Public Domain Amaziah took advice, i.e. about the injury which the…
Amaziah took advice, i.e. about the injury which the Israelites had done to his people, 2Ch 25:13, and how he should repair it. But of this and the following verses See Poole "2Ki 14:8", &c.
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Matthew Henry 1710 · Public Domain We have here this degenerate prince mortified by his…
We have here this degenerate prince mortified by his neighbour and murdered by his own subjects.
I. Never was proud prince more thoroughly mortified than Amaziah was by Joash king of Israel.
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1. This part of the story (which was as fully related Kg2 14:8, etc., as it is here) - embracing the foolish challenge which Amaziah sent to Joash (Ch2 25:17), his haughty scornful answer to it (Ch2 25:18), with the friendly advice he gave him to sit still and know when he was well off, (Ch2 25:19), - his wilfully persisting in his challenge (Ch2 25:20, Ch2 25:21), the defeat that was given him (Ch2 25:22), and the calamity he brought upon himself and his city thereby (Ch2 25:23, Ch2 25:24), - verifies two of Solomon's proverbs: - (1.) That a man's pride will bring him low, Pro 29:23. It goes before his destruction; not only procures it meritoriously, but is often the immediate occasion of it. He that exalteth himself shall be abased. (2.) That he that goes forth hastily to strive will probably not know what to do in the end thereof, when his neighbour has put him to shame, Pro 25:8. He that is fond of contention may have enough of it sooner than he thinks of.
2. But there are two passages in this story which we had not before in the Kings. (1.) That Amaziah took advice before he challenged the king of Israel, Ch2 25:17. But of whom? Not of the prophet - he was not made of the king's counsel; but of his statesmen that would flatter him and bid him go up and prosper. It is good to take advice, but then it must be of those that are fit to advise us. Those that will not take advice from the word of God, which would guide them aright, will justly be left to the bad advice of those that will counsel them to their destruction. Let those be made fools that will not be made wise. (2.) Amaziah's imprudence is here made the punishment of his impiety (Ch2 25:20): It was of the Lord; he left him to himself to act thus foolishly, that he and his people might be delivered into the hands of their enemies, because they had forsaken God and sought after the gods of Edom. Those that will not persuaded to do well for their souls will justly be given up to their own counsels to do ill for themselves even in their outward affairs.
II. Never was poor prince more violently pursued by his own subjects. From the time that he departed from the Lord (so it may be read, Ch2 25:27) the hearts of his subjects departed from him, and they began to form a design against him in Jerusalem. It is probable they were exasperated against him more for his rashly engaging in a war against Israel than for his worshipping the gods of Edom. But at length the ferment grew so high, and he perceived the plot to be laid so deeply, that he thought fit to quit his royal city and flee to Lachish, either as a private place where he might be hid or as a strong place where he might be guarded; but they sent after him thither, and slew him there. By this the putting of him to death seems to have been done deliberately, and to have been the act, not of a disgusted servant or two, but of a considerable body that durst avow it. How unrighteous soever they were herein, God was righteous.
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John Gill 1763 · Public Domain But Amaziah would not hear,.... What the king of…
But Amaziah would not hear,.... What the king of Israel advised him to, not to meddle to his hurt:
for it came of God, that he might deliver them into the hand of their enemies; Amaziah and his army into the hands of Joash and his; this was the will of God, and was brought about by his providence; and that it might be, Amaziah was given up to blindness and hardness of heart, as a punishment of his idolatry:
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because they sought after the gods of Edom; he and his nobles, and many of the people following his example; from hence to the end of the chapter the same things are recorded as in Kg2 14:11, see the notes there; see Gill on Kg2 14:11, Kg2 14:12, Kg2 14:13, Kg2 14:14, Kg2 14:15, Kg2 14:16, Kg2 14:17, Kg2 14:18, Kg2 14:19, Kg2 14:20
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Advice - About the injury which the Israelites had done to his people, and how he should repair it. He took advice. But with whom? Not with the prophet, but with his flattering statesmen. It is good to take advice: but it should be of them who are fit to advise us.
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2Ch 25:17. Then Amaziah took advice — About the injury which the Israelites had done to his people, and how he should repair it. He took advice — But with whom? Not with the prophet, but with his flattering statesmen. It is good to take advice: but it should be of them who are fit to advise us. But of this and the following verses, see notes on 2Ki 14:8-20.
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Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary 1859 · Public Domain Another, and fight. He supposed Joas had connived at…
Another, and fight. He supposed Joas had connived at his subjects’ invasion, (v. 13.; H. See 4 K. xiv. 8.; C.) and he now required all Israel to submit to him. Josephus) T.
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Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset & David Brown 1871 · Public Domain HE PROVOKES JOASH TO HIS OVERTHROW. (Ch2 25:17)
HE PROVOKES JOASH TO HIS OVERTHROW. (Ch2 25:17)
Then Amaziah . . . sent to Joash . . . Come, let us see one another in the face--(See on Kg2 14:8-20).
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The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges 1878 · Public Domain 17–24 (= 2Ki_14:8-14). Amaziah Conquered by Joash
17–24 (= 2Ki_14:8-14). Amaziah Conquered by Joash
17. took advice] Took counsel with a view to demanding satisfaction from Joash for the ravages of the Israelite mercenaries (2Ch_25:13). The sequel suggests that Joash refused to give satisfaction.
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let us see one another in the face] R.V. let us look one another in the face. The proposal may be either to fight or (better) to discuss Amaziah’s claims, the two kings meeting as equals. The latter is probably the right alternative, for the answer of Joash draws a scoffing parallel between Amaziah’s proposition and a thorn’s proposal of alliance with a cedar. Had Amaziah’s words been a challenge to fight, Joash’s answer would rather have taken the form in Jdg_9:15, “The thorn said, Fire shall come out of the thorn and devour the cedars of Lebanon,” etc.
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Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers 1878 · Public Domain AMAZIAH CHALLENGES JOASH OF ISRAEL TO BATTLE, AND SUFFERS…
AMAZIAH CHALLENGES JOASH OF ISRAEL TO BATTLE, AND SUFFERS DISASTROUS DEFEAT (2Ch_25:17-24). (Comp. 2Ki_14:8-14.)
(17) Then Amaziah . . . took advice.—And Amaziah took counsel (2Ch_10:6). Different from the counsel which the prophet would have tendered him (2Ch_25:16).
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And sent to Joash.—See 2Ki_14:8 : “Sent messengers.” The rest of the verse is the same in both passages.
Let us see.—Let us look one another in the face; as combatants do.
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The Pulpit Commentary 1880 · Public Domain Took advice; i.e. took counsel; as in foregoing verse,…
Took advice; i.e. took counsel; as in foregoing verse, "Art thou made king"s counsellor?" and as in same verse, "counselled" should read instead of "determined," The verb (xy), in kal, niph., and once only in hithp., occurs just eighty times, always in this sense, and almost always so rendered in the Authorized Version, Let us see one another in the face. A refined analogy to this expression, with all its speaking significance, occurs in 2Sa_2:13; and, perhaps yet more remarkably, a strange some balance between vers. 14, 15, 17 of that chapter and our vers. 21, 22 may be noticed.
Vers. 17-24.
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Human presumption.
In the correspondence between these two kings and the action which ensued we have a very striking illustration of the evil of human presumption.
I IT MAY BE BEGOTTEN OF A SLIGHT SUCCESS. "Thou hast smitten the Edomites and thy heart lifteth thee up to boast" (ver. 19). Some men are soon inflated; even a little "knowledge puffeth up." And a very slight achievement, in art, or in song, or in speech, or in manufacture, is enough to fill them with vanity, to cause them to "think more highly of themselves than they ought to think," to make them presume upon an ability which they are far from possessing. Complacency is an element which soon rises to the surface in human nature; it takes a very slight touch to stir it.
II IT MAY BEGET A SINFUL SCORNFULNESS. On this occasion the presumption of Amaziah provoked the contemptuous answer of Joash (ver. 18). There is something very unbeautiful and unbecoming in human scorn. Derision is a rather frequent action, and those who employ it take great pride in it. But we may be sure that it is offensive in the sight of the Lord of love. We may pity, we may condemn, we may reproach one another, rightly and faithfully. But to pour out on one another the spittle of our scorn, this is an unworthy, an ungodly, a blameful thing. Joash no doubt felt a keen satisfaction in his reference to the cedar and the thistle, and sent his message with enjoyment; but the Father of spirits would be grieved to see one of his children thus treating another with withering contempt. Scorn may be a pleasant thing, but it is a sinful thing.
III IT SUFFERS A HUMILIATING DEFEAT, (Vers. 21, 22.) Failure and humiliation are the inevitable end of human presumption. It is certain in time to undertake some task too great for its strength, to go up to a battle against a foe which it cannot fight and we know what will be the issue. Whatever the field may be whether political, commercial, literary, ecclesiastical, social the man of presumptuous spirit is on his way to an ignominious defeat. He will attempt the leap which he cannot make, and he will come down heavily to the ground.
IV IT ENDURES OTHER PENALTIES BESIDES. In the case of Joash it meant, beside defeat, captivity, the violation of the capital, and the spoliation of the temple, the miseries of remorse as he pondered in his palace. How senselessly he had brought this calamity on himself (see ver. 15)! Presumption is sure to result in adversity of more kinds than one. It ends in the bitter mortification of defeat, of conscious overthrow and dishonour; it usually ends (as here) in loss, either of property, or of reputation, or of friendship perhaps of all of these at the same time. It frequently brings down upon a man the severe reproaches of those who have been injured along with the principal offender. For guilt of this kind commonly involves misery to many beside the criminal. It is Jerusalem, and even Judah, as well as Amaziah, on whom the blow comes down.
1. Let us know ourselves well, lest we make an egregious and fatalmistake.
2. Let us ask God to reveal our feebleness to our own eyes. C.
Vers. 17-24.
The battle of Beth-shemesh; or, the downfall of a boaster.
I THE OBJECT OF THE BATTLE.
1. The object of its promoter, Amaziah.
(1) Perhaps revenge; to punish the Israelitish sovereign for the sins of his subjects (ver. 13) a principle of action on which man cannot always with safety proceed, though God may. Revenge, sweet to the natural heart, (Jer_20:10) was forbidden under the Law, (Lev_19:17, Lev_19:18) and is absolutely inconsistent with the gospel. (Rom_12:19) "Men revenge themselves out of weakness because they are offended, because they are too much influenced by self-love." This was seemingly the case with Amaziah. "A great soul overlooks and despises injuries; a soul enlightened by grace and faith leaves the judgment and revenge of them to God" (Cruden).
(2) Possibly ambition; in the hope of reducing the northern kingdom to subjection. In this hope (Josephus, "Ant.," 9:9. 2) he was probably confirmed by his previous success over the Edomites (ver. 14). Ambition, easily excited in the breasts of the weak, is always difficult to allay even by the wills of the strong. Wherever it exists, it is like the horse-leech"s two daughters, which cry, "Give, give!" like the grave and the barren womb, the dry earth and the fire, which never say, "It is enough". (Pro_30:15, Pro_30:16) It commonly proves too imperious even for men of iron will, while weaklings like Amaziah it blows to destruction with a slight puff.
2. The object of its Director, God. If Amaziah had an aim in seeking a pitched battle with Joash King of Israel, so had Jehovah an aim in allowing him and Joash to try conclusions on the field of war. If Amaziah meant to punish Joash, Jehovah meant to punish Amaziah: which of the two, the King of Judah or the King of kings, was the more likely to succeed in accomplishing his object, it required no prophet to foretell. So in mundane affairs, generally, "man proposes," but "God disposes." Men, as free agents, are allowed to scheme and plan as they please, while God worketh all things according to the counsel of his will Man often fails in his purposes, Jehovah never (Job_23:13; Psa_115:3; Isa_46:10, Dan_4:35; Eph_1:11)
II THE PRELIMINARIES TO THE BATTLE.
1. Amaziahs challenge to Joash.
(1) Deliberately offered. He acted neither in a hurry nor on his own responsibility, but at leisure and after consultation with his privy councillors and field-marshals. This only made the matter worse. It shows what wretched advisers the king had, and how set the king"s heart was upon the war. Jehoshaphat had been too late in calling in Jehovah to the council of war at Samaria; (2Ch_18:4) Amaziah neglected calling him in at all. The last persons a king or parliament should apply to for advice when deliberating on the question of peace or war, are the idlers about court and the officers in a barracks.
(2) Arrogantly expressed. Euphemistically phrased, "Come, let us look one another in the face," meaning "Come, let us measure strength," or "cross swords with one another;" this is one of those hypocritical formulas with which the world tries to hide from itself the wickedness of its evil deeds. Amaziah"s politely worded message was an insolent challenge to the King of Israel to meet him on the field of war.
(3) Fittingly answered. Amaziah"s insolence had silenced the prophet (ver. 16); he was now to find that Jonah would not so meekly submit to his impertinence. It may be proper for good men not to render railing for railing, (1Pe_3:9) but it is not to be lamented when vainglorious boasters are set down and fools answered. according to their folly. (Pro_26:5)
2. Joashs response to Amaziah. This, which Josephus says was delivered in writing, contained two things.
(1) A parable or fable (ver. 18), not unlike that of Jotham to the Shechemites. (Jud_1:9:8, etc.) It is not necessary to understand thethistle or thorn as pointing to Amaziah, in comparison with whom Joash claimed to be a tall cedar, though possibly this may have exactly expressed Joash"s estimate of the relative greatness of their royal persons; or to suppose that Amaziah had solicited a daughter of Joash in marriage for his son and been refused, and that out of this sprang his present warlike attitude towards Israel; or to find in the wild beast in Lebanon which trod down the thistle an allusion to the northern warriors who, should hostilities break out, would overrun and trample down the land of Judah. It is sufficient to learn what the fable was designed to teach.
(2) The interpretation. This consisted of three parts:
(a) A contemptuous rebuke. Amaziah, lifted up with pride and ambition, was stepping beyond his natural and legitimate sphere. He had conquered the Edomites, and now aspired to measure swords with the Israelites. It was pure self-conceit that lay at the bottom of his arrogance a home-truth Amaziah might have digested with profit.
(b) A condescending admonition. Amaziah had better stay at home. To be addressed by Joash as a wilful child might be by a wise and prudent father, must have been galling to the untamed spirit of Amaziah.
(c) A comminatory prediction. Amaziah was meddling to his hurt, "provoking calamity" that he should fall, even he and Judah with him. Joash probably knew that Amaziah had rashly entered upon a campaign he had neither resources nor courage to sustain. Fas est ab hoste doceri; but Amaziah would not hear.
III THE SCENE OF THE BATTLE. Beth-shemesh. (Jos_15:10)
1. The meaning of the term. "The house of the sun." Probably the site of an ancient temple to the sun-god. The Egyptian On, or Heliopolis, i.e. "the city of the sun," is probably for the same reason styled Beth-shemesh. (Jer_43:13)
1. The situation of the place. On the southern border of Dan, and within the territory of Judah, about three miles west of Jerusalem, represented by the modern Arabian village Ain Seines, or "sun-well," near the Wady-es-Surar, north of which stretches a level plain suitable for a battle (Robinson, "Bib. Res.," vol. 3. p. 17; Thomson, "The Land and the Book," p. 535). Many fragments of old wall-foundations still are visible about the locality, and the modern village appears to have been built out of old materials.
2. The historical associations of the spot. It was one of the cities given to the Levites by the tribe of Judah. (Jos_21:16) The ark of the covenant long stood there. (1Sa_6:12) One of the officers who purveyed for Solomon"s court resided there. (1Ki_4:9) It afterwards was taken by the Philistines. (2Ch_28:18)
IV THE RESULTS OF THE BATTLE.
1. The defeat of Judah. Joash and Amaziah "looked each other in the face." Their armies collided at the spot above described. The issue was a total rout for Judah (ver. 22).
2. The capture of Amaziah. Joash took him prisoner of war at Bethshemesh. Amaziah"s thoughts at this moment would be pleasant company for him! Whether Joash exulted over him, taunting him with his bravery, and reminding him of the fate of the poor briar who aspired to mate with the cedar, is not recorded; to Joash"s credit it should be stated that Amaziah was not put to death, or even consigned to a prison, as he deserved and might have expected, but was allowed to live and even continue on his throne (ver. 25).
3. The destruction of a part of the wall of Jerusalem. Approaching the metropolis of Judah with its prisoner-king, Joash, not so much perhaps with a view to obtain a triumphal gateway (Thenius), or restrain its inhabitants from reprisals in the shape of warlike operations (Bertheau), as simply to mark the capital as a conquered city (Bahr), caused about four hundred cubits of the wall to be broken down, from the gate of Ephraim to the corner gate, i.e. about half of the north wall. The gate of Ephraim, called also the gate of Benjamin (Jer_37:13 Jer_38:7; Zec_14:10) because the way to Ephraim lay through Benjamin, was most likely situated at or near the present-day gate of Damascus, the modern Bab-el-Amud, or, Gate of the Column, m the second wall, while the corner gate, called also the first gate, (Zec_14:10) was apparently at the other end of the wall from that at which the tower of Hananeel stood, (Jer_31:38) i.e. at the north-west angle where the wall turned southwards.
4. The despoliation of the temple and the palace. The pillaging of the former was not complete, but extended solely to the carrying off of the gold, silver, and vessels found in that part of the sacred building which was under the care of Obed-Edom and his sons, (1Ch_26:15) viz. in the house of Asuppim, or, "house of collections or provisions" (Neh_12:25) building used for the storing of the temple goods, situated in the neighbourhood of the southern door of the temple in the external court" (Keil). The plundering of the latter does not appear to have been restrained. All the treasures of the king"s house fell a prey to the royal spoliator.
1. The taking of hostages. These were required in consequence of Amaziah"s liberation, as a security for his good behaviour, and were most likely drawn from the principal families.
2. The return to Samaria. Joash acted with becoming moderation. Though he might have killed, he spared Amaziah, and even restored him to his throne. Whereas he might have broken down the entire city wall, he overthrew only a part of it. Instead of plundering the whole temple, he ravaged merely one of its external buildings. Judah and Jerusalem he might have annexed to his empire, but he forbore. Having properly chastised his royal brother, he returned to Samaria.
LESSONS.
1. A man may wear a crown and yet be a fool witness Amaziah.
2. "Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
3. "He that girdeth on his armour should not boast as he that putteth it off.
4. The hand that lets slip the clogs of war deserves to be devoured bythem.
5. Clemency becomes a conqueror, and is an ornament of kings. W.
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unfoldingWord translationNotes 2017 · CC BY-SA 4.0 Jehoash ... Jehoahaz
Jehoash ... Jehoahaz
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meet each other face to face
This idiom means they would both be there in person, rather than communicating through messages or other people. AT: "meet each other in person" (See: Idiom)
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send
messenger
Jehu
kingdom of Israel
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