But if you are without discipline, of which all have been made partakers, then you are illegitimate, and not children.
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But if you are without discipline, of which all have been made partakers, then you are illegitimate, and not children.
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Questions where the Bible appears to say two different things, with the passages on each side set together.
Matthew 11:28-30 has Jesus offering rest to the weary — his yoke is easy (chrestos) and his burden is light (elaphron). John 16:33, 2 Timothy 3:12, and Hebrews 12:6, 8 give the opposite framing: in the world believers will have tribulation, all who live godly will suffer persecution, and those without chastisement are bastards rather than legitimate sons.
Critical scholarship: Leans toward reconciliation.
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"Hebrews 12:8 — Scripture Analysis" GEBible, https://gebible.app/analysis/verse/hebrews/12/8?version=WEB (retrieved 26 August 2026).